An aveil (mourner) does not practice public aveilut (mourning) on Shabbat (Ketubot 4a), though he is still in aveilut and there is some impact on what he can and can't do.

Would the presence of an aveil in shul at mincha on Shabbat stop the community from saying the prayer Tzidkatcha? He is still an aveil to some degree and not saying tzidkatcha isn't a public expression of his mourning.

Additionally, would his being there even if he is not considered an aveil to that degree still obviate saying tzidkatcha? The rule seems to be "if the day was not Shabbat, would we say tachanun? If not, don't say tzidkatcha on Shabbat." But if the day was not Shabbat, then he WOULD be a full aveil and then we would be davening in a minyan with an aveil and would not say tachanun.

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    As in the question you referenced in the one you just asked judaism.stackexchange.com/q/66374/759 it wouldn't be skipped on a weekday in Shul since it's not the mourner's home (not that I accept any of your other premises) – Double AA Jun 30 '19 at 2:53
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    How is skipping tzidkatcha not a display of public mourning? If it's a day where they normally would say tzidkatcha, skipping it due to there being an Avel is a public display of Aveilus. – Salmononius2 Jun 30 '19 at 22:32
  • @Salmononius2 whose public display? A mourner cannot make a public display (whatever exactly that means...I felt that saying kaddish was a pretty public display) but the congregation is not saying the prayer so to pin it on the mourner as his public display seems wrong. – rosends Jun 30 '19 at 23:07
  • but the skipping of tzidkascha in this case for an aveil would be an extension of their aveilus and therefore be a public practice of aveilus on shabbos. seems to make more sense one would not specifically skip any part of davening by the tzibur on shabbos b/c of an aveil – Dude Jul 1 '19 at 14:46
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    @rosends bc kaddish is said by non mourners too. It's not a public display of mourning. – Double AA Jul 1 '19 at 17:08

In many places it is customary to have Shabbos Mincha service in the Aveil's house in which case it would not be appropriate to Say Tzidkoscho as we are supporting G-d's Judgement for returning the Sinners to Geihenom after Shabbos as the Abudraham Explains:

צדקתך צדק לעולם ותורתך אמת כנגד דינה של גהינם ששואלין תחלה למת למה לא עסקת בתורה שנקראת אמת

This is the very reason why we don't say tachanun in the Mourners house. Mishna Brura 131,4:

נהגו שלא ליפול על פניהם (כ) לא בבית האבל - היינו כל שבעה והטעם דאז מדת הדין מתוחה עליו וע"כ יש ליזהר מלהגביר מדת הדין
All seven days of mourning one does invoke the Attribute of Judgement of Hashem since it has affected the mourner by taking his relative away from him (This would include saying Tachanun during the week and Tzidkoscho on Shabbos).

If the Aveil goes to Shul ther is a Machlokes Haposkim whether the congregation should say Tachanun, Beis Yosef says only the Aveil should say it, where as the Knesses Hagedolah in hagahos says the whole congregation should not say Tachanun. Since Tzidkosecha is also tziduk Hadin (acclaiming G-ds Justice which could mean negative connotations about the dead) just like Tachanun so the same Machlokes should apply.

  • You have brought no source that discusses a mourner on Shabbat. Even if you find a case where they would have skipped Tachanun on a weekday (either by praying in the mourner's home or following some other opinion about synagogues), the question remains if this is public mourning on Shabbat and if the mourner maintains the relevant status while his obligations are publicly suspended? – Double AA Jun 30 '19 at 21:05
  • there is a clear source in the answer i have translated the mishna brura – user15464 Jul 2 '19 at 21:38
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    No there is just your interpretation which you snuck in parentheses as if it's explicit in your source – Double AA Jul 2 '19 at 21:44
  • It is quite explicit there is 7 days where one should not invoke the attribute of justice, 6 during the week during Tachanun and the 7th on Shabbos when saying Tzidkosecho. – user15464 Jul 4 '19 at 22:36
  • It is all there you just have to see it – user15464 Jul 4 '19 at 22:36

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