Are there any sources—and if so what are the sources—in the Rishonim and Acharonim that allow a person to get drunk on Purim day during the Seudas Mitzva?
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This has definitely been asked before– samCommented Feb 23, 2015 at 13:13
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possible dupe judaism.stackexchange.com/q/13844/759– Double AA ♦Commented Feb 23, 2015 at 13:16
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I'm looking for sources not just a blatant yes or no. Therefore i believe it is clearly different– El ShteigerCommented Feb 23, 2015 at 13:17
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2I'm also extending the question to the actual Seudas Mitzvah, i.e should one get drunk then and if so where are the sources to that. I see a clear distinction– El ShteigerCommented Feb 23, 2015 at 13:19
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The emek davar on purim is kedai to see on this– Shoel U'MeishivCommented Feb 23, 2015 at 13:39
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Although many sources prohibit intoxication (Ramban Comm. to Kedoshim, Rambam Hil. Deos, Meoros Megillah 7b, Kol Bo and Orchos Chaim cited by Darchei Moshe and Beis Yosef respectively in Orach Chaim 695) some sources write hat one may or should get drunk on purim:
1) There is an obligation to get drunk (Rif to Megillah 7b, Piskei Rid, Piskei Riaz, and Tur.) Additionally Minhagim Tirna and Minhagim Kloizner write to get drunk without specifying if it is obligatory.
2) Drink until you cant compute the gimatriyos of baruch mordechai and arur haman (Aguda, R' Yerucham).
3) Drink only up to the point of ad dlo yada (it is ad vlo ad bichlaal): Meoros to Megillah 7b (in one tzad).
4) Drink until you sleep. (Rambam (Hil. Megillah 2:15) Maharam Mirotenburg (responsa).
5) Drink until you cant sing the baruch mordechai song (Tosafos according to Beis Yosef and many others).
6) Seder Hayom writes to get drunk until you pass out (the most extreme view I have seen)
7) M'chir Yayin of Rama (commentary to 9:19).
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Despite the different approaches of the poskim, I think the most straightforward reading of the Rambam is like the Seder Hayom.– Y e zCommented Feb 23, 2015 at 19:37
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@YeZ Just in case you havent seen the seder hayom he bashes the rambam for lav davking the gemara and implying that we dont have to drink so much.– mevaqeshCommented Feb 27, 2015 at 5:53
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@yEz I am wondering if you got around to seeing the Seder Hayom...(not meant in any rudeness).– mevaqeshCommented Mar 16, 2015 at 3:02
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I haven't. I don't think it impacts what the simple reading of the Rambam is any more than the Darkei Moshe's interpretation does. (Although, I did quote it recently, trusting the accuracy of your report.)– Y e zCommented Mar 16, 2015 at 18:29
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@yEz Of all the Acharonim the Seder HaYom has the most incentive to write that Rambam agrees with him, yet even he agrees that Rambam disagrees. In this he learns the Rambam like all the Rishonim, and virtually all the gedoley acharonim. Their opinion ought to be reckoned with (IMHO) rather than hubristically touting ones own "simple reading of the Rambam". (Again, no rudeness intended).– mevaqeshCommented Mar 16, 2015 at 23:41