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| Dec 12, 2016 at 21:42 | comment | added | Micha Berger | The Rambam doesn't make G-d the sole base reality. He says other existences is contingent on His, not made out of it. X is only true if Y is different than saying X is an illusion and really "part of" Y. Who said anything bout "conforms"? Truth, he might be saying something panentheistic when the Rambam speaks of the unity of the Knower, the Knowledge and the Known, but identifying existence with Divine Knowledge -- or more poetically, that we exist in His Imagination -- doesn't identify us with Him either. As for "putting Himself under the illusion".... that makes little sense to me. | |
| Dec 12, 2016 at 21:00 | comment | added | Dov F | Hashem is putting himself under the illusion. He constructs the illusion out of himself. But I cannot claim to grasp it much better than that. At any rate, it is not different from the Rambam, it is only being said differently. If something is the base reality, it is also the entire reality. Everything is it because nothing is anything except insofar as it real מצדו. What else does it mean that everything conforms to it? We can also say that nothing from our incomplete perspective is truly real. It's all the same concept though. | |
| Dec 12, 2016 at 20:03 | comment | added | Micha Berger | that's pretty much what I said in the name of the Tanya. That's not to say I understand the Tanya. After all, if our separate existence is only an illusion, who is having that illusion? | |
| Dec 12, 2016 at 13:26 | comment | added | Dov F | @MichaBerger To my current understanding, when we experience it is actually him experiencing--it only seems like we are experiencing because he has walled off parts of his perception/existence and grounded them in the imaginary construct of space-time. Thus our experience is real because it is his experience but from the vantage point of himself we are not actually separate entities. | |
| Sep 11, 2016 at 15:15 | comment | added | Micha Berger | Does that really reflect what the Tanya says, though? According to the Tanya, miTzido, He is the Yeish and we are the ayin. | |
| Sep 11, 2016 at 13:24 | comment | added | Dov F | Our existence is not an illusion. We do not (and in this state cannot) experience the whole of reality, but our experiences are real. | |
| Sep 5, 2016 at 23:52 | comment | added | Micha Berger | "Our existence is just relative to his", or the Rambam's notion that our existence is contingent on his (Yesodei haTorah 1:3, 2:9) is different than saying that our independent existence is only an illusion. (If our existence is only an illusion, who is experiencing that illusion?) | |
| Sep 5, 2016 at 12:39 | vote | accept | Mark A. | ||
| Sep 5, 2016 at 11:42 | history | answered | Dov F | CC BY-SA 3.0 |