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why do we consider Should the witnesses that signgroom say what the ketuba says he says? If not, are the witnesses that sign it lying?

Should the groom SAY the statement in the kesuba to his bride on the day the kesuba is being written?

the statement in the kesuba

On the day .... the bridegroom ... said to this [...] daughter of [...], “Be my wife according to the law of Moses and Israel. I will work honor, feed and support you in the custom of Jewish men, who work, honor, feed, and support their wives faithfully. I will give you the settlement of 200/100 silver zuzim, which is due you according to virgin/widow law, as well as your food, clothing, necessities of life, and conjugal needs, according to the universal custom.”...

From what I understand the custom is that he does not SAY this on the day the kesuba is written (iI might be wrong)
So how can the witnesses sign that he did?.
(Maybe he saissays something like this before they get "engaged" (vort) but that is usually more thenthan 7 days before.)

How can the witnesses sign it if part of it is not true?
(Even if you say the whole ketuba is written becousebecause of minhag will not, won't this invalidate the wittnesseswitnesses if they are the ones thatwho will witness the keddushin totoo?)
And therefore, shouldn't the groom say the statement?

why do we consider the witnesses that sign the ketuba not lying

Should the groom SAY the statement in the kesuba to his bride on the day the kesuba is being written?

the statement in the kesuba

On the day .... the bridegroom ... said to this [...] daughter of [...], “Be my wife according to the law of Moses and Israel. I will work honor, feed and support you in the custom of Jewish men, who work, honor, feed, and support their wives faithfully. I will give you the settlement of 200/100 silver zuzim, which is due you according to virgin/widow law, as well as your food, clothing, necessities of life, and conjugal needs, according to the universal custom.”...

From what I understand the custom is that he does not SAY this on the day the kesuba is written (i might be wrong)
So how can the witnesses sign that he did?
(Maybe he sais something like this before they get "engaged" (vort) but that is usually more then 7 days before)

How can the witnesses sign it if part of it is not true?
(Even if you say the whole ketuba is written becouse of minhag will not this invalidate the wittnesses if they are the ones that will witness the keddushin to?)

Should the groom say what the ketuba says he says? If not, are the witnesses that sign it lying?

Should the groom SAY the statement in the kesuba to his bride on the day the kesuba is being written?

the statement in the kesuba

On the day .... the bridegroom ... said to this [...] daughter of [...], “Be my wife according to the law of Moses and Israel. I will work honor, feed and support you in the custom of Jewish men, who work, honor, feed, and support their wives faithfully. I will give you the settlement of 200/100 silver zuzim, which is due you according to virgin/widow law, as well as your food, clothing, necessities of life, and conjugal needs, according to the universal custom.”...

From what I understand the custom is that he does not SAY this on the day the kesuba is written (I might be wrong).
(Maybe he says something like this before they get "engaged" (vort) but that is usually more than 7 days before.)

How can the witnesses sign it if part of it is not true?
(Even if you say the whole ketuba is written because of minhag, won't this invalidate the witnesses if they are the ones who will witness the keddushin too?)
And therefore, shouldn't the groom say the statement?

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InShould the groom SAY the statement in the kesuba to his bride on the day the kesuba is being written?

the statement in the kesuba it says

On the day .... the bridegroom ... said to this [...] daughter of [...], “Be my wife according to the law of Moses and Israel. I will work honor, feed and support you in the custom of Jewish men, who work, honor, feed, and support their wives faithfully. I will give you the settlement of 200/100 silver zuzim, which is due you according to virgin/widow law, as well as your food, clothing, necessities of life, and conjugal needs, according to the universal custom.”...

From what I understand the custom is that he does not say this on the daySAY this on the day the kesuba is written (i might be wrong (should it be said?))
So how can the witnesses sign that he did?
(Maybe he sais something like this before they get "engaged" (vort) but that is usually more then 7 days before)

How can the witnesses sign it if part of it is not true?
(Even if you say the whole ketuba is written becouse of minhag will not this invalidate the wittnesses if they are the ones that will witness the keddushin to?)

In the kesuba it says

On the day .... the bridegroom ... said to this [...] daughter of [...], “Be my wife according to the law of Moses and Israel. I will work honor, feed and support you in the custom of Jewish men, who work, honor, feed, and support their wives faithfully. I will give you the settlement of 200/100 silver zuzim, which is due you according to virgin/widow law, as well as your food, clothing, necessities of life, and conjugal needs, according to the universal custom.”...

From what I understand he does not say this on the day the kesuba is written (i might be wrong (should it be said?))
(Maybe he sais something like this before they get "engaged" (vort) but that is usually more then 7 days before)

How can the witnesses sign it if part of it is not true?
(Even if you say the whole ketuba is written becouse of minhag will not this invalidate the wittnesses if they are the ones that will witness the keddushin to?)

Should the groom SAY the statement in the kesuba to his bride on the day the kesuba is being written?

the statement in the kesuba

On the day .... the bridegroom ... said to this [...] daughter of [...], “Be my wife according to the law of Moses and Israel. I will work honor, feed and support you in the custom of Jewish men, who work, honor, feed, and support their wives faithfully. I will give you the settlement of 200/100 silver zuzim, which is due you according to virgin/widow law, as well as your food, clothing, necessities of life, and conjugal needs, according to the universal custom.”...

From what I understand the custom is that he does not SAY this on the day the kesuba is written (i might be wrong)
So how can the witnesses sign that he did?
(Maybe he sais something like this before they get "engaged" (vort) but that is usually more then 7 days before)

How can the witnesses sign it if part of it is not true?
(Even if you say the whole ketuba is written becouse of minhag will not this invalidate the wittnesses if they are the ones that will witness the keddushin to?)

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why do we consider the witnesses that sign the ketuba not lying

In the kesuba it says

On the day .... the bridegroom ... said to this [...] daughter of [...], “Be my wife according to the law of Moses and Israel. I will work honor, feed and support you in the custom of Jewish men, who work, honor, feed, and support their wives faithfully. I will give you the settlement of 200/100 silver zuzim, which is due you according to virgin/widow law, as well as your food, clothing, necessities of life, and conjugal needs, according to the universal custom.”...

From what I understand he does not say this on the day the kesuba is written (i might be wrong (should it be said?))
(Maybe he sais something like this before they get "engaged" (vort) but that is usually more then 7 days before)

How can the witnesses sign it if part of it is not true?
(Even if you say the whole ketuba is written becouse of minhag will not this invalidate the wittnesses if they are the ones that will witness the keddushin to?)