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| Oct 21, 2015 at 15:24 | history | edited | Micha Berger | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Oct 21, 2015 at 14:53 | comment | added | Micha Berger | Let us continue this discussion in chat. | |
| Oct 21, 2015 at 14:30 | comment | added | Micha Berger | Rashi on 1:1 and 2:4 tells you the week of creation was also at once. The Ramban says that most of creation happened between 1:1 and 1:2, and that the week of creation is also the 6000 years of history -- describing a model of time very unlike the one dimensional stream we experience. (R Dessler discusses this at length.) Bereishis Rabba speaks of "creating worlds and destroying them" -- well before the mequbalim. The Rambam (Moreh 2:30, see the Abarbanel for more detai) says the 6 days of creation are 6 causal steps, and nothing to do with time. That's a lot of the big names.... | |
| Oct 21, 2015 at 14:27 | comment | added | Micha Berger | (I don't know where R Kook said that; he struck me as a concordianist -- finding how to understand both Torah and science as describing the same thing. E.g. RAYK's paean to evolution.) Given the thesis at tradition is more sure than proof, then he is telling us today to apply the same strategy of dismissal to "modern science and archaeology has given credence to the claim of an ancient world". Be secure in your tradition. There is no more reason to accept the science than he had to accept reports about India. But in practice, we don't actually follow the Rihal on this. | |
| Oct 21, 2015 at 14:19 | comment | added | user6591 | And biblical literalism is not new. It's as old as the bible. Rambam gave leeway to not take some of the creation story hyper literally, but just think about what the world thought of the Moreh Nevuchim for hundreds of years. Biblical creation story non literalism and making different calculations to creation date didn't start until the Kabbalists. It's true they building off cryptic words of Chazzal, but Chazzal said many other things about creation and the reality of the world which we conveniently ignore. | |
| Oct 21, 2015 at 14:15 | comment | added | user6591 | Some of what you wrote would make sense and be an acceptable deflection. My problem is, again, the fact that he did say 'It would, indeed, weaken my belief'. Simple enough. Had he said I won't let scientific proofs dictate my belief system, like Rav Kook said, fine. If he didn't care, he could've accepted the Indian story, and gone on with his beliefs. He didn't. He marginalized it in order to not weekend his belief. His words, not mine. | |
| Oct 21, 2015 at 14:07 | history | answered | Micha Berger | CC BY-SA 3.0 |