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The invitation to say the Grace After Meals used when eating with a group.

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Why compare zimmun to the tumah of broken/repaired vessels?

In Bavli Brachot 50a-b, Rava compares a rule for a zimmun to a rule for broken/repaired metal utensils. In particular, he says that in the case of three people, each coming from a separate group, ...
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Why do we say Barchu during davening when we don’t do so during Zimun?

The Shulchan Aruch paskens (OC 192:1): ואם הם ארבעה יכול לומר ברכו שאכלנו משלו אבל יותר טוב לומר נברך שלא להוציא עצמו מן הכלל If they [who are eating together] are four, [the leader] may say, “...
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Is it permissible to say “Birshut Baalat HaBayit Hazeh” when saying the Rabotai Nevarech invitation?

Some people have a custom of adding “Birshut Baal Habayit hazeh” in the Zimun. Can the wife be included?
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(How) Should the wife of the ba'al habayit (homeowner) be mentioned in the call to recite grace after meals

As part of leading birkat hamazon (grace after meals) there is a custom for the leader to mention he has been given permission to lead by the male homeowner. I am wondering if there is any discussion ...
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Why, in זימון, is it customary to change from “רבותי נברך” to “ברשות מרנן ורבנן ורבותי”?

Why, at the beginning of ברכת הזימון is it comon custom that the leader opens with "רבותי נברך" and later he continues with "ברשות מרנן ורבנן ורבותי" . Why, at the beginning does he only address ...
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As the מזמן, should I say “ברשות אבי מורי” before “סבי מורי” or the other way around?

When eating with my parents at my my grandparents' (father's parents) house, if I am asked to be מזמן, should I say “ברשות אבי מורי וסבי מורי„ or “ברושת סבי מורי ואבי מורי„?
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What is the intention behind “Shamayim” in the Zimun?

In Nusach Edut HaMizrach, in the Zimun before Birchat Hamazon, after the leader says: הַב לָן וְנִבְרִיךְ לְמַלְכָּא עִלָּאָה קַדִּישָׁא: give us [a cup of wine] and we will recite the ...
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Does one need to get permission from ALL the Kohanim to recite Birkas HaMazon?

When eating a meal in the company of a Kohen, it is a mitzvah to have him lead the recitation of Birkas HaMazon (Shulchan Aruch OC 201:2; it is obligatory according to others (see Shulchan Aruch Harav ...
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וועלען בענטשען or וועלין בענטשין

I'm fairly competent in speaking Yiddish, in fact, most of friends, family, and teachers consider me a fluent speaker. However, I noticed an interesting difference between two siddurim of mine. In my ...
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Two groups split into 2 cars and eat bread while travelling. What type of zimun do they make after rejoining?

This article delves into some details on what constitutes "eating together" for the requirement of zimun. I see that there is a dispute regarding what happens when some people leave in the middle or ...
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Sources for a Pshetel on the topic a kattan washed and ate a seudah and became a gadol during the seudah [duplicate]

I am trying to work with my son on his Pshetel on the topic: If a 12 year old boy washed for a seudah and during the seduah it became night and now the boy is 13 and is a gadol, may he lead the ...
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How does zimun by a wedding/ bar mitvah work?

It says in the Magen Avraham of Shulchan Aruch (193:8), that if people eat at separate tables they cannot combine to make a zimun. My question is: I've been to many weddings or bar mitzvahs where ...
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Bar mitzvah boy joining a zimun on the night of his bar mitzvah, having started the meal during the day

(This question could probably be made better if someone answers What time does a bar mitzvah come into effect?, but for now i'll just use the earlier or later time, as applicable.) Let's say a boy's ...
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Why is Birkat Hamazon said after eating just a small piece of bread?

Berachos 21a: Whence is it that Grace after meals is ordained by the Torah? As it is said, "And thou shalt eat and be satisfied and bless the Lord thy God" (Deut. viii. 10). The verse ...
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Answering to zimmun twice

In a Suda shlishit of 30 people, one person had to leave and 9 answered to his Zimmun "Nevarech elokeinu...". What should these 9 people answer to the general Zimmun later on?
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Rising when saying Elokeinu in a zimmun [duplicate]

I have seen many people, among them talmidei chachamim, rise out of their seat when saying God's name (Elokeinu) during a zimmun of 10 people. Is there a source for this behavior?
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Skipping “Elokeinu” in zimmun

At seudah shlishis at shul, this week, the person leading the bentching (grace after meals) neglected to say the word "Elokeinu" (our God), in the invitation to bentch ("zimmun"), as is required when ...
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Can a woman lead bentching/birchat hamazon?

Can a woman lead birchat hamazon if there are men that partook in the meal? Can they lead it if the men leave?
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Refusing Reshut at Benching

In a zimmun, the leader asks permission from the others (BiReshut...) What is the procedure for refusing this permission? Must I outrank him in some way, or does anyone have the privilege of refusing ...
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How to recite hallel with fewer than 3 men at seder

Are you supposed to do the responsive parts of Hallel at the Seder? indicates that, when three men are at the seder, Hallel is recited responsively. At the seder, does one recite Hallel responsively ...
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How much of benching should be said aloud in a zimmun?

When a zimmun (rabbotai nevarech, etc.) is done, I have heard that the first three paragraphs should be said aloud by the leader. (That'd be: Baruch Ata Adoshem Hazan Et Haolam......Baruch Ata ...
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Including a minor for zimun

The Shulchan Aruch 199:10 writes that a child can be included for a zimun of three or 10(only one minor is counted),the Rama does not allow a minor to join. 1) If there is one adult Sephardi and one ...
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Formulation of Women's Zimmun

According to this answer, three women who have eaten together may make a zimmun. The usual formulation of the zimmun, "רבותי נברך", does not make sense for women. What formulation should women use ...
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Why can't a mixed gender meal of 3 form a zimun?

In a group of two women and one man (or one woman and two men), why can they not have a zimun together? Is it because of different levels of obligation in bentching? If so, why is a woman less-...
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Parameters for brov am?

What are they parameters of brov am hadras melech? is it a requirement or a hiddur? does it apply equally to men, women and children? why does it not seem to apply to zimun (preferable to split into ...
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Can you do benching for 3 people when one person does not know what to say in response?

When you have at least 3 men who ate a meal together, you can bench using the formula "Rabbosai Nivorech", at which point the other men at the table respond "Yehi Shem..." and so on. However, what ...
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Can a woman drink the Kos Shel Bracha?

After saying Birkat HaMazon with a cup of wine, the Shulchan Aruch rules in OC 190:3, that at least a cheekful of wine must be drunk. If this was at a zimmun and the leader of the zimmun does not want ...
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Zimun and Bentsching (Bircat Hamazon / Grace After Meals) with Jews who ate non-kosher food

I came across an interesting situation recently. I was eating with Jewish, non-observant friends. I brought over a hamburger from a local kosher take-out place. They had homemade, non-kosher food, ...
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Preference to Kohanim in repeating situations

Based on this question and answer, it seems that the obligation to honor the kohein is when everyone has equal rights, the kohein gets first pick, but not everything. For instance, if a host serves a ...
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who says “baruch hu uvaruch sh'mo” before birkas hamazon

Ashk'nazi prayer books generally include the line ברוך הוא וברוך שמו after the zimun (invitation to say birkas hamazon and before the actual birkas hamazon. It generally (in my experience) is ...
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If three men pre-arranged to sit down and eat together over a video-chat, is there any reason they shouldn't have a zimun?

I learned that if two groups were eating in two different rooms but even one person could see someone in the other room, then they could have one zimun (I thought this was in Masechet Brachot, but I ...
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wording of the invitation to birkas hamazon

I know some Ashk'nazim say rabosay n'varech, some rabosay mir velen bentschen, and some hertzi rabosay mir velen bentschen. (Any other forms?) Is there any particular reason given for one or another?
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People half-standing for אלקינו in zimun

When conducting a zimun with ten or more men, the nusach is to say "...ברוך אלקינו שאכלנו משלו". I have noticed that many people, when saying the word "אלקינו", get up from their seats at least a ...
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Woman and Zimun: What is the requirement?

What is a woman's requirement to say Bircat Hamazon with a Zimun of women? What is a woman's requirement to say Bircat Hamazon with a Zimun of men?