Questions tagged [tisha-bav]

9th of Av; anniversary of the destruction of both Temples in Jerusalem; a general day of mourning for historical Jewish tragedies.

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Will Tisha B'Av be pushed off in the future?

We have a tradition that Tisha B'Av will become a holiday in the time of Moshiach. Will that holiday also be nidcheh if it comes out on Shabbos?
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What potential issues may arise with serving jury duty on Tisha b'Av?

I was recently summoned for jury duty and initially selected to be on the jury for a criminal trial that was expected to go through Tisha b'Av. If I were selected, what issues would I face in serving ...
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Tisha b'Av and the First World War

There is a curious idea floating around, that World War One commenced on the 9th day of the month of Av. (For example, here, and here, and here.) I call it curious, since it takes a fairly creative ...
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Is the material permitted to learn on Tisha B'av available online?

From Aish.com: Other prohibitions include...Learning Torah, since this is a joyful activity. It is permitted to learn texts relevant to Tisha B'Av and mourning -- e.g. the Book of Lamentations, ...
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Daf yomi on Tisha b'Av

There is a strong tradition (maybe halakha?) to not engage in most learning on Tisha b'Av (with a few exceptions). Many of us learn daily and I understand that we generally suspend our learning for ...
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Do we say “shabbat shalom” on Tisha b'Av that falls on Shabbat?

Yesterday I said "shabbat shalom" to someone and he said we don't do that on Tisha b'Av that falls on Shabbat. I thought that Shabbat trumps the day (and that's why we move the other observances). ...
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Do the customs in regards to *Yud Av* apply to *Yud-Aleph Av* on a year when the fast is pushed off?

I know that people have the custom (I don't know how universal it is), to keep a lot of the restrictions of the nine days until Chatzos on Yud Av, such as not eating meat or doing laundry. This year ...
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Studying Holocaust Responsa on Tish'ah BeAv

One of the restrictions practiced on Tish'ah BeAv is the study of Torah, because Torah study "gladdens the heart". Several exceptions have been formally codified, which are of a nature germane to the ...
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Mundane activities on Tisha B'Av

Tisha B'Av should be spent focusing on the destruction of Jerusalem and Beit haMikdash; but is it permissible to do daily chores as well? For example, this year, Tisha B'Av is postponed one day ...
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Why do we not say selichot on Tisha B'Av?

Every fast day on the Jewish calendar has its set of selichot that are said. The one exception to this is Tisha B'Av. This seems counter-intuitive to me because Tisha B'Av is the day when we mourn the ...
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Extended fasting on 10 Av

The Bavli (Taanit 29a) teaches that the Temple was set aflame on the ninth of Av in the afternoon and it burnt until sundown on the tenth of Av. The Yerushalmi (Taanit 4:6) records that because of ...
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Different tune for chapter 3 of Eicha?

Why does the third perek of Eicha have a different melody? Is it just to match the triplet form of the words?
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Why are the kinos about Jeremiah's appeal to the avos out of order?

The kina (elegy, said on the ninth of Av) about Jeremiah's going to ask the avos to pray (kina 21 in at least some versions, 26 in the Artscroll edition) is said before the one about his being told to ...
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Sleeping at the Kotel on Tisha B'av

This Tisha B'av morning I was at the Kotel for shachrit, and I noticed a whole bunch of people sleeping there. I'm not talking about people who nodded off during slichot due to low blood sugar, I'm ...
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What are you supposed to do on Tisha baAv?

On Tisha baAv you can't eat wash oneself anoint oneself marital relation wearing leather shoes sit on a chair Torah study greeting people with a blessing conducting business going on a ...
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Havdalah if you have to eat or drink on Tisha B'Av that comes out on Sunday

If a person for whatever reason has to eat and drink on Tisha B'Av that comes out on Sunday, and they know this ahead of time, when should they make havdallah on a cos? Should they make Motzei Shabbos ...
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Why did the 40th-year Jews think they'd erred about Av? Sanhedrin had declared it

Rashi says that ובשנת ארבעים שנה עשו ולמחר עמדו כולן חיים וכיון שראו כך תמהו ואמרו שמא טעינו בחשבון החדש חזרו ושכבו בקבריהן בלילות עד ליל חמשה עשר וכיון שראו שנתמלאה הלבנה בט"ו ולא מת אחד מהם ידעו ...
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How certain do I need to be that my Yom Kippur shoes are leather-free?

Okay, no leather shoes for Yom Kippur (or Tisha B'Av). I always assumed if the label said ALL MAN MADE MATERIALS or 100% CANVAS or something like that, that we could trust the label. (Would they ...
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Havdallah after Tisha B'Av

When Tisha B'Av immediately follows Shabbos (either because the 9th of Av is Shabbos or because the 9th of Av is Sunday), how and when do we make havdallah?
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May one learn Torah on Tisha B'Av if he enjoys learning anything?

One is not allowed to learn Torah on Tisha B'Av, as it gladdens a person (SA 554:1-2). However, certain texts, relating to mourning and the destruction of the Beis HaMikdash, are permissible (Mishnah ...
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How long must clothes be worn before the 9 days for them to count as not fresh?

I've only read "short period" as a time given for how long to wear clothes you're planning on putting on during the 9 days. Is there anything more specific than that? Is there an efficient and ...
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Promising not to Destroy the World, and “I will Return the World to Water”

After the Mabul (deluge/flood), Hashem promised that he would not destroy the world. Yet we know from Tisha Bav and Yom Kippur's "Asarah Harugay Malchus" (“The Ten Martyrs”) poem that when they were ...
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Jerusalem Uninhabited?

The Nachem prayer for tisha b'av describes he city as השוממה מאין יושב, "desolate without inhabitant." What does this mean? In what way was Jerusalem desolate without inhabitants? Does this have a ...
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Why don't we say Avinu Malcanu on Tisha B' Av?

Why don't we say Avinu Malcanu on Tisha B' Av? The Artscroll Siddur says "on fast days that tachanun is omitted...", is there any other reason?
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Shouldn't we laugh as Rabbi Akiva?

I don't want to be disrespectful, but I remember the story of when Rabbi Akiva saw the temple destroyed with foxes walking where the Kodesh HaKodashim used to be. He laughed because even though ...
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How do hats contrast with sounds?

The elegy "אש תוקד בקרבי", in the 9 Av liturgy, contrasts our exodus from Egypt after enslavement there with our exile from Jerusalem with the Temple's destruction. It comprises 23 couplets, each ...
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Why are Torah study and trips, specifically, banned on the 8th of Av?

The Rama, Orach Chayim 553, says: The practice is that we do not study [Torah] the day before the ninth of Av from midday on, except such matters as are permitted [study material] on the ninth…. ...
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Tisha b Av calendar confusion

I don’t understand the calendar this holiday: iOS says today is 10 Av hebcal.com says 10 Av as well but: google says Tisha b Av is today chabad.org says Tisha b Av is today (https://www.chabad.org/...
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Staying to enjoy the unexpected playing of recorded music during the 3 weeks/9 days

Assuming for a moment that one holds that the prohibition of listening to music during the Three Weeks / Nine Days applies to recorded music, if one were in a store that had music playing on the ...
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What exactly is the purpose of Tisha B'av?

So recently I was answering a question about why we don't say selichos on Tisha B'av,and I answered basicaly saying that the purpose on Tisha B'av isn't to ask for forgiveness, rather it is for ...
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Why don’t we skip pesukim of comfort in Eichah?

The Shulchan Aruch rules (OC 554:1) that one may learn the sad parts of Yirmiya, provided that he skip the comforting parts. Yet, there are several pesukim in Eichah that discuss comfort (ex. 4:22 - ...
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Was the fast of Tisha B'av in effect during the second temple era? [duplicate]

As the Beis Hamikdash was rebuilt at that time was the fast of Tisha B'Av in effect during the Second Temple Era?
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What are the opinions regarding eating small-bits-at-a-time (“leshiurin”) on Tisha B'Av when necessary?

I know on Yom Kippur, if someone is medically required to eat, s/he should do so with only a bit of food every few minutes, to avoid the full severity of eating "a full serving in one sitting." On ...
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Meaningful ways to spend Tisha b'Av?

I am struggling a bit on Tisha b'Av to find meaningful ways to spend the day. I am looking for advice on meaningful activities that fulfill the intent of the day (mourning for Jerusalem and the ...
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Tisha B'av Fasting in Second Temple Times

The prophet Zechariah 7:3 brings a question he was asked by Jews during the Second Temple as to whether or not they should continue fasting on Tisha B'av, presumably because the Temple had been ...
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Proper Reading of the Word זועה

The word זועה appears six times in tanach: Yeshayahu 28:19 Yirmiyahu 15:4 Yirmiyahu 24:9 Yirmiyahu 29:18 Yirmiyahu 34:17 Divrei Hayamim II 29:8 In each one of these instances except the first, the ...
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Using Eicha trop when learning

When leining in shul, there are a few minhagim about what gets read with the Eicha trop. This is what I've seen most often (in chronological order through the year): איכה אשא לבדי in Devarim Most of ...
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What sad/terrible events actually took place on the 9th of Av?

I have heard that Tish'a B'av is a date on which many bad things happened to the Jewish people, and that is why we mourn on that day. What are they? (Sources please...)
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Does a pregnant or nursing woman fast on a postponed Tish'ah B'Av?

According to this answer pregnant and nursing women generally fast only on Tish'ah B'Av and Yom Kippur, but not the other "minor" fasts. (This is certainly the case where fasting would cause them pain....
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Germaphobes washing on Tisha B'Av and Yom Kippur

One is not allowed to wash their hands past their knuckles on Tisha B'Av, except if there is dirt on their hands, or if it is for a Mitzvah (SA OC 554:8-10). The same is true, for the most part, for ...
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Why did Rebbe want to get rid of Tishah b’Av Nidcheh?

Megillah 5a-b: אמר רבי אלעזר אמר רבי חנינא רבי נטע נטיעה בפורים ורחץ בקרונה של צפורי בשבעה עשר בתמוז ובקש לעקור תשעה באב ולא הודו לו אמר לפניו רבי אבא בר זבדא רבי לא כך היה מעשה אלא תשעה באב שחל ...
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What is the connection between Moshiach and Tisha B'Av?

I often see the following from Yerushalmi Berachot cited as a source that Moshiach will be born on Tisha B'Av: עובדא הוה בחד יהודאי דהוה קאים רדי געת תורתיה קומוי עבר חד ערביי ושמע קלה א"ל בר יודאי ...
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When does the prohibition against eating meat during the 9 Days start?

does the prohibition regarding eating meat start at night or in the morning? If this is unclear... On Rosh Chodesh (the night of, the night we say yala ve yavo) can we have meet for dinner? I know ...
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9 be-Av on Shabbos

When 9 be-Av falls on Shabbos, it is moved to the following Sunday. Are there any restrictions on Shabbos because of 9 be-Av (maybe tashmish is forbidden)?
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Why is the Eicha reading broken up?

It seems to me that everywhere I've been, the reading of Eicha on Tish'a B-av night has been broken up, with different chapters read by different people. Why is this custom so prevalent, specifically ...
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If the “ten martyrs” didn't happen together, did the punishment-for-Joseph story happen? When?

It's commonly believed that the "ten martyrs" didn't all live in the same time period, and the description of them as a group is conceptual, not historical. Now the story opens with a Roman ruler ...
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Tefillin at chatzos on Tisha BAv

The general practice is to not wear tefillin in the morning on Tisha BAv (OC 555:1). However, after chatzos many of the mourning practices which are only customs are lifted. As such, people wear ...
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On Motzei Shabbat/Tisha B'Av how is the Havdalah candle extinguished?

Since during a normal Havdalah you would extinguish the Havdalah candle in the wine but none is being used because Tisha B'Av starts Motzei Shabbat, what is the proper manner with which it should be ...
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What can one learn on Tisha B'Av?

What are you allowed to learn on Tisha B'Av in general particularity which Gemaras?
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Are there different nusachos for the kinnos?

Follow up to my previous question about Lubavitch kinnos. I often see kinnos books labeled "Ashkenaz," "Sfard," etc. but are there really differences between the kinnos or are these labels referring ...