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Source of non-verse in Selichot

In Ashkenazi Selichot, the following set of verses from Tanach (patterned around the opening verb ז.כ.ר.‏ to remember) appears towards the end of the Selichot service (there may be some slight ...
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Falling behind during selichos

Related to, but not duplicating Falling behind during davening, how should you attempt to keep up with overly-quick recitation of selichos? I would assume that you interrupt the piyut you’re reciting ...
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How "with" the congregation do you have to be in order to say the 13 Divine Attributes (middos)?

According to the view that the 13 Divine Attributes ("Hashem, Hashem, Keil Rachum...") are considered a davar shebikedushah and therefore require a minyan for their recital, an individual doesn't ...
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How do I say vidui in Selichos in a meaningful way?

We say vidui three times in selichos. Many words are uttered in a relatively short time. How can we do this in a meaningful way that is not "vidui peh"? I have heard tell of one of the gedolei ...
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Why only on the first Saturday night of Selichot is the minhag to start at midnight?

Pretty self explanatory. Some say at chatzot all week and some in the morning. Why davka on the first night does everyone say at night? This minhag does not seem apply on the second Saturday night (...
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How can I find meaning in saying selichot?

I have always had a problem connecting with the selichot. In my shul they are said in a very rushed, impassionate fashion, mainly due to the need for people to get to work. I don't understand most of ...
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Why do we not say selichot on Tisha B'Av?

Every fast day on the Jewish calendar has its set of selichot that are said. The one exception to this is Tisha B'Av. This seems counter-intuitive to me because Tisha B'Av is the day when we mourn the ...
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Why is there a custom to join "Hashem" and "Elokenu" together in the line Al Taazvenu in Shema Kolenu in Selichot

In Shema Kolenu, based on the Posuk in Psalms 38:22 we say the phrase: Al Taazvenu Hashem Elokenu Al tirchak mimenu | Don't leave us Hashem Our God Don't distance yourself from us. The interesting ...
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Forgiveness on Rosh Chodesh

If Rosh Chodesh is a "Zeman Kapara" (time of atonement) as we say in the Mussaf prayers, why does it contain no selichot and no tachanunim? Why doesn't it (the day of Rosh Chodesh itself) resemble Yom ...
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Text of S'lichos Online

Is there any fully digital (i.e. searchable) edition of the סליחות? Is it publicly available online?
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Swapping selichot of the fourth and fifth days after Rosh HaShanah

I’ve noticed that some Ashkenazi communities (including those following minhag lita and minhag polin) will sometimes swap the order of which days of selichot are said during the Aseret Yemei Teshuvah. ...
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Priority rules for abridging Selichot

If the minyan doesn't have enough time allotted for Selichot to finish everything listed in the Selichot book for today, so you need to cut some parts out, what are the rules of priority for what ...
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Saying selichos before midnight

What is the position with saying selichos (end of Elul and Aseres Ymei Teshuva) with a minyan that starts straight after maariv at say 10:30 or 11pm?
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whoever leads s'lichos should lead the rest of the day's prayers: why s'lichos?

Rama 581:1 says whoever leads s'lichos should lead the rest of the day's prayers, and Magen Avraham, followed by others including Mishna B'rura, says this is due to "hamaschil b'mitzva om'rim lo g'mor"...
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Selichot origins

In what year (CE) did saying selichot in Elul begin? In what year were they made a standard addition to prayer books? Looking for an academic answer, not the yeshivahish one. And did Sephardim start ...
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Why is it that there appear to be so many different nuschaos of Selichos?

Why is it that there appear to be more different nuschaos of Selichos than other tefillos? I have heard of Askenaz, Sfard, Lita, Polin and Ungvar.
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What parts of selichot can be said without a minyan?

Suppose attending a minyan for selichot is impossible in the week before Rosh Hashannah. Which parts of selichot can be said without a minyan, and which parts must be omitted?
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Minhag of saying Selichos only before Rosh HaShanah

There is a minhag to only say Selichos before Rosh HaShanah and not during Aseres Yemei Teshuva. I know in Chabad this is in the minhag. Is this minhag practiced anywhere else? Where does it come from?...
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Rules for Selichot when the minyan isn't complete at start time

If the shul doesn't have a full minyan at the time when Selichot is supposed to start, and waiting for a minyan to gather before starting is not an option, what are the rules for what you say or don't ...
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Chazzan wears talis slichos night?

Why does the chazzan for slichot a week before rosh hashana wear a talis? Isn't it clearly night time?
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Why is there a difference of the position of Selichot?

In name of my astute oldest son (Yes, as a father, I am biased!): Why during most fast days is Selichot said after the repetition of the Amidah, but during 10 days of Teshuva, they are said before ...
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Prayer of Avraham Avinu at Mount Moriah

On Yom Kippur and in Selichos we pray "The One who answered Avraham Avinu's prayer on Mount Moriah, should answer us". "מי שענה לאברהם אבינו בהר המוריה הוא יעננו". What did Avraham pray for at Mount ...
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What does Selichot consist of?

In Sephardic tradition Selichot is said from the second day of Elul through to Yom Kippur. I did not practice all this growing up and am trying to understand now. What tefilot make up Sephardic ...
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Recommended changes to the text of selichos when you say them at the "wrong" time

Some of the piyutim in selichos assume that you're saying them at the ideal time - before Amud Hashachar (for example, at the end of selicha #70 שחרנוך קדם עמוד השחר). Many people don't make it at ...
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Selichot and blessing on Torah study

There are at least two views on the placement of the blessings on Torah study in the morning prayer. German rite places it right before the verses about the laver, and they don't really consider Torah ...
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"Poems" in Selichos. Names and structures of Pizmon and Shalmonis. Please explain

What is (1) the meaning of the names and (2) the structure of the “poems” found in Selichos particularly the Pizmon and the Shalmonis. (3) I note that the number of phrases in the first verse of the ...
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Change from Kail Erech to Kail Melech in Selichos

Nusach Ashkenaz and Ashkenazi Nusach Sefard both start Selichos with Kail Erech Apayim prior to the first Hashem Hashem, and then for the rest of Selichos say Kail Melech Yoshaiv prior to Hashem ...
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Why Ashrei in Selichot?

In most Ashkenazi versions of the selichot* for Elul and Yomim Noraim, the day's selichot begin with Ashrei**. This seems rather weird, especially considering that some (including Jekkisch authorities ...
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Why is there no clear Chabad custom regarding Tzom G'dalya s'lichos: early morning or during shacharis?

In the 2005/5765 Kehot edition of סליחות על־פי מנהג חב״ד/Slichos appears part of a letter by the last Lubavitcher rebbe with no date on it. It reads, in part: לא שמעתי הוראה בסדר סליחות ליום זה (...
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Should the shaliach tzibbur wear a talis to say the 13 middos ?

The Gemoro in Rosh Hashono 17b says that HKB”H put on a talis like a shaliach tzibbur and taught Moshe the 13 middos and said whenever Israel sins they should perform before Me according to this ...
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Davening Netz or Selichos

If a person has the opportunity of davening netz, but doing so would require putting off the recitation of selichos (since it's nearly netz), does the fulfillment of davening in the optimal way ...
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Why say tachanun in selichos but not in davenning when say a sandek is in Shul?

If someone (eg sandek, mohel) is in Shul (the synagogue) whose presence stops the kehillo (congregation) saying tachanun, why is it that we do say tachanun in Selichos but not in davenning (the prayer ...
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How to understand the first selicho for Asoro B'Teves

I do not understand the first selicho (in the Rosenfeld edition, p 343) for Asoro B'Teves. The first line reads, “I remember the distress that befell me; three blows he inflicted on me this month.” ...
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Saying slichos at any time but "ashmores haboker", should we take out references to the early morning time so we are not "lying"?

Many of the Slichos refer to the early morning time: "Ashmores Haboker", which is clearly not applicable to those who say late slichos (say at 8 AM) or who say it early at night (say at 10 PM, let's ...
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Why does the paytan refer to the Thirteen Attributes as “Thirteen words”?

There is a piyut which is said by Minhag Lita on the fifth (sometimes, in some customs, on the fourth) weekday of the Aseres Yimei Teshuvah; by Nusach Sefard on the second Monday of BeHa”B; and by ...
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saying selichos motzai shabbas [duplicate]

Possible Duplicate: Why only on the first Saturday night of Selichot is the minhag to start at midnight? Where does the minhag come from to say the first selichos on motzai shabbas when one can ...
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Why do the Ashkenazim say Selichos for a minimum of 4 days before Rosh HaShana?

The Ashkenazim start saying Selichos a minimum of 4 days before Rosh HaShana? What is the reason of a minimum of 4 days?
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Please translate “Shem Yinone mechoilol maichovim” in a selicho for Tzom Gedaliah

Please could someone offer a translation of the phrase “Shem Yinone mechoilol maichovim” in the Selicho for Tzom Gedaliah that begins “Oz Terem Nimtochu” (near the beginning of the selichos)?
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Who opposes saying the Piyut מכניסי רחמים?

There is a long standing debate surrounding the piyut "מכניסי רחמים" which is said during selichot (words found here). The piyut is addressed to angels and the text aims to elicit the attributes of ...
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What does "responsive recitation" mean for Selichos?

There are a bunch of Selichos that are supposed to be "recited responsively." I think for many of them, I've seen the format: Chazan: line 1 Kehila: line 1 Kehila: line 2 Chazan: line 2 Kehila: ...
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Alternative to Selichot?

For someone who, for whatever reason, will not participate in selichot, are there any alternatives (things to say, acts to do etc.) suggested to properly prepare for the high holidays?
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Why begin selichot on a Sunday rather than on a date?

We ashkenaz start selichot on a Sunday. Sunday is a day of the week. Usually we start events on a given day of a given month (e.g., rosh hodesh, rosh hashanna), or after a given number of days (e.g.,...
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Why isn't the miracle of Channukah mentioned in Selichot?

In the selichot service, we have a prayer which lists the historic times when Hashem answered prayers (even implicit ones). The "mi she'ana" prayer starts with Avraham on Har Hamoriah and moves ...
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Different names for Dovid in regular Selichos vs Yom Kippur Selichos

Why do we refer to Dovid Hamelech as "Mashiach Tzidkecha" in Selichos (towards the end, paragraph begins with those words) except on Yom Kippur when we refer to him as "Dovid Avdecha" (in the same ...
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What should a chazan do if he has theological problems with the congregation's text?

There are several places in the selichot where there are controversial phrases, e.g. addressing prayer to angels not G-d. I'm not asking for opinions on this, but I've heard some people just skip ...
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selichot on yom hakkipurim

Why in the past 150+ years did ashkenazim stop reciting the majority of selichot at shacharit, mussaf, and mincha of yom hakkipurim and only start selichot from the psukim before the chatanu or shma ...
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Is it possible to have slichos without Avinu Malkeinu?

My friend and I were complaining last night about how long davening would be this morning, 17 Tamuz. Since it's a fast day, there are slichos and leining and a lot of stuff (it actually wasn't all ...
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Selichos start: Ashkinazim vs. Sefardim

Why do Sefardim start saying Sleichos earlier than Ashkinazim?
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What's the best rewording of "midas harachamim aleinu hisgalgli" for those uncomfortable with it?

In the Selichot (fifth day of Aseret Yimei Teshuvah, HaPizmon shel Yud Gimel Middot HaRahamim) and in Ne'ila of Yom Kippur, there's the stanza that reads: The concern is the few middle lines: מדת ...
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Why would God forsake us when we are old?

In the Shema Koleinu prayer that we say during selichot, one of the lines goes like this: אל תשליכנו לעת זקנה, ככלות כוחנו אל תעזבנו Do not cast me away in the time of my old age; when my strength ...
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