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Why don't people ever get married via a shtar kiddushin?

The Mishnah on Kiddushin 2a lists 3 ways a woman can be mekudeshet (betrothed): via money, via the act of intercourse, via a shtar (document). Now I understand 2 of the acquisition methods: ✅ money-...
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Could a secular marriage contract conceivably be considered a shtar kiddushin?

Suppose a secular Jewish couple got civilly married- no halachik ceremony- and they get their marriage license. Could this marriage license serve as a Halachik Shtar, ie they'd need a Get if they ...
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Which region took the majority of wealth?

Avos d’Rebbi Nassan 28:1: רבי נתן אומר [...] ואין לך חכמה כחכמה של ארץ ישראל. ואין לך יופי כיופי של ירושלים. ואין לך עושר כעושר של מדי. ואין לך גבורה כגבורה של פרס. ואין לך זנות כזנות של ערביים. ...
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Money obtained by selling Tikrovet avoda zara

Talmud Kiddushin 58a says that Avoda Zara 'catches its value' (תופס דמיו) to be forbidden as itself: the money obtained from its sale is also forbidden. Now, what with tikrovet avoda zara (offerings ...
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The application of the dispute about the borders of Babylon

The Talmud (Kiddushin 71b) discusses the differences in the lineage of people from different places in the vicinity of Bavel (Babylon) by analogy of health. Bavel is healthy (has a good lineage), ...
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Is a kiddushin valid if one just gives a ring but doesn't say “harei at mekudeshes li?”

If someone were to just give a ring and not say anything (everything else is Kosher- witnesses etc) would this be considered a valid kiddushin or do we require the saying of "harei at" to make it ...
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Understanding תוד״ה תפילין on קידושין דף לו ע״א

The Talmud (Kiddushin 36a) cites a view that women are exempt from the prohibition on balding themselves in mourning. Rava there says that we know of this exemption because the same words "between ...
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Do women always love their husbands?

Following the previous question: "obligation-to-see-a-woman-prior-to-kiddushin" the Gemmorah (Kiddushin 41a) states that: "אבל בהא איסורא לית בה כדר"ל דאמר ר"ל טב למיתב טן דו מלמיתב ארמלו ...
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Clarification on obligation to see a woman prior to kiddushin

Kiddushin 41a: "דאמר רב יהודה אמר רב אסור לאדם שיקדש את האשה עד שיראנה שמא יראה בה דבר מגונה ותתגנה עליו ורחמנא אמר "ואהבת לרעך כמוך" Rav Yehuda says that Rav says: It is forbidden for a ...
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Yichud, shomer by night?

For yichud issues, a (Jewish) man and his wife are mutually considered shomer: אשתו משמרתו. But do this apply by night? Basis for this question, the Gemara Qidushin 81a רב ביבי אקלע לבי רב יוסף, ...
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Anyone not redeemed doesn't redeem: what about second-borns?

A father is required to redeem his firstborn son by paying some money to a kohen. A mother is not. The Bavli, Kidushin 29 amud 1, asks, "How do we know she's not commanded?" and answers: [In the ...
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Mitzvot that “are practiced” vs Chayav and Patur

The Mishnah Kiddushin (1:8-9) and the following Gemmorah (35-36) use the word "מצוות נוהגות" instead of the accepted "אנשים חייבים" or "נשים פטורות": "הַסְּמִיכוֹת,..., וְהַקַּבָּלוֹת, נוֹהֲגִין ...
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Similarity between Eisov and Dama ben Netina for honoring parents

Eisov = Red = Edom = Romi (Rome) Eisov excelled in honoring Yitzhok (B"R 65) Dama B"N was a senator (? or a general) in Rome's province in Ashkelon (according to Yerushalmi) דמא is the letters אדום He ...
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Understanding the parameters of translating the pesukim

In Kiddushin 49a R' Yehuda makes the following statement ר' יהודה אומר המתרגם פסוק כצורתו הרי זה בדאי והמוסיף עליו הרי זה מחרף ומגדף One who translates a verse literally is a liar, one who ...
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What is a Madoni

Kiddushin 26b:3 mentions this term - what type of person is this? ת"ש אמר ר' אלעזר מעשה במדוני אחד שהיה בירושלים שהיו לו מטלטלין הרבה וביקש ליתנם במתנה אמרו לו אין לו תקנה עד שיקנם על גבי קרקע מה עשה ...
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Chalitza to wife? (Qidushin 3b)

Talmud Qidushin 3b סד''א תיתי בקל וחומר מיבמה מה יבמה שאינה יוצאה בגט יוצאה בחליצה, אשה שיוצאה בגט אינו דין שיוצאה בחליצה ... ספר כורתה ואין דבר אחר כורתה [You could think ... if a yevama that ...
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Question on Kiddushin 7a (Rashi)

On Kiddushin 7a, Rashi writes (d.h. וכן לענין ממונא) about 3 principles where monetary transactions are supported by either the din of the guarantor (ערב) or the din of the eved ca'ani, or by both ...
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Why do the best of doctors go to Gehinnom according to the Maharsha?

Says the final Mishnah in Kiddushin 82a: טוב שברופאים לגיהנם The best of doctors go to Gehinnom If your name is followed by MD, you may leave now. The Maharsha is puzzled by why this should ...
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Why did chiya bar ashi seperate from his wife?

In the gmara kidushin 81b according to the translation http://www.dafyomi.co.il/kidushin/points/kd-ps-081.htm the following story happened (h)Whenever R. Chiya bar Ashi would fall on his face in ...
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Why does the good inclination come in 13 years late?

To paraphrase Avos D'Rebbi Nassan 16:2: The evil inclination grows when a person is born, while the good inclination enters at Bar/Bas Mitzvah. As a minor, if he desecrates Shabbos, his inclination ...
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Why an עבד עברי's ear is awled

Rashi comments on שמות כא,ו, quoting the מכילתא and קידושין דף כב עמוד ב, that an עבד עברי who was sold into slavery due to stealing has a hole put in his ear for not listening to לא תגנוב and one in ...
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A gift on condition that I could take it back

The Gemara in Kiddushin 6b says that one may not marry a woman with money given on condition that she return it afterwards, as it's like chalipin which is invalid for marriage. Say that a man gives a ...
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Why doesn't the Gemara learn kiddushei kesef from Eliezer initiating kiddushei kesef as a shaliach for Yitzchak?

I'm learning Kiddushin this year and while I haven't yet gotten to the Sugya which delves deeply into the issue of how to derive kiddushei kesef from the gzera shava "Kicha Kicha" I know that ...
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Keeping your right to an object but delaying your purchase

The reason behind the idea of עני מהפך (קידושין נט עמוד א) is a argued (תוס רש״י). The רמ״א explains that in a case of buying and selling the only time there is a case of עני מהפך is when both sides ...
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Excluding a case in קנין but קנין remains valid

I heard of an idea that when it comes to קנינים (Acquisitions)if the קנין cannot be done in every instance, the קנין does can not apply at all. Example: (Forgetting רש"י or other commentaries) In ...
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The 5th Commandment - Who should be financially supported first - children or parents?

During a recent Pirkei Avot shi'ur in my synagogue, our rabbi discussed two concepts. Jewish Virtual Library citing of Talmud, Tractate Kiddushin 31B Our Rabbis taught: What is "revere" and what ...
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If someone never met their father, but has various information about him (e.g last name, profession etc.), are they a shetuki?

In Kiddushin mishnayos 4:2, it says: And which are the shetukim? Anyone who knows [who] his mother [is], but does not know [who] his father [is]. And which are the asufim? Anyone who was gathered ...
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Onkelos Commentary

Rashi on the talmud (kidushin 49a) says the aramaic translation/commentary on the torah was given at sinai, forgotten and brought back by Onkelos. Where did Onkelos obtain the correct text?
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Can you acquire land merely by using it?

The mishna in Kiddushin 26a talks about how one acquires property. It considers two cases, property that can be used for security (collateral) and property that can't. Land is in the first category. ...
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נשים דעתן קלה versus נזמי הזהב אשר באזניהם

The Mishna, Kidushin chapter 4: A man cannot be alone with two women, but one woman can be alone with two men. The Bavli thereon, 80 amud 2: What's the reason? A Mishna-explainer of the house ...
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How did kinyan ketzatzah work?

The gemarah in Yerushalmi Kiddushin 1:5 discusses a kinyan ketzatzah whereby to acquire a field (and possibly to marry a woman?) after a sale a barrel of treats was broken and the children would ...
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Objective reasoning beyond feelings [closed]

I was learning recently Tosefos in Avodah Zarah and I came to the statement from Kidushin (20a) ניזבין אינש ברתיה ולא ניזיף בריביתא. מאי טעמא? ברתיה מגרעא ונפקא, והא מוספא ואזלא A person ...
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What does the Ritva hold about טלי קידושיך מעל גבי קרקע?

The case of "טלי גיטיך מעל גבי קרקע" (where the husband told his wife to pick up her גט [divorce document], rather than handing it to her directly) is an invalid divorce (רבא, Gittin 24a). The ...
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Who is the author of the notes Bechor Shor on Kidushin?

At the back of the gomoro Kidushin, in the Yalkut Meforshim [in the Oz Vahadar Gemoros, it seems that they were printed previously in a sefer and not at the back of the Gemoros], there are some notes ...
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Difference between the RamBam and Talmud Kiddushin 82a in list of jobs that posul a King/High Priest?

The Talmud in Kiddushin 82a lists a bunch of professions that invalidate one from serving as a King or High Priest. The RamBam codifies this in Hilchot Melachim 1:6, but his list does not match the ...
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This is on the RamBam isurei biah Chapter 15 - Halacha 25…Asufi of possible Gentile lineage?

It is stated in Rambam Isurei Biah - Chapter 15 - Halacha 25: When an asufi is found in a city inhabited by gentiles, whether the majority are gentiles or the majority are Jews, the child is ...
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Dama ben Nesina and the red heifer

Kidushin 31a brings the story of Dama ben Nesina and his amazing Kibud Av V'Aim which cost him a huge fortune. He was rewarded for his amazing Kibud Av V'Aim by one of his cows giving birth to a red ...
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Does Kiddushin 81b imply that one opinion allows for suicide if that is the only way to keep from sinning?

The Gemoro in Kiddushin 81b brings down the following (shortened version of the) story: Rabbi Chiya Bar Ashi used to say 'May God save me from the Yetzer Hora'! When his wife overheard him she ...
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Beis Shammai's dinar for kiddushin - philosophy?

The Mishna in Kiddushin (1:1) outlines a machlokes regarding the minimum amount of money necessary to effect kiddushin (i.e. create a marriage). According to Beis Hillel, the amount of money (or ...