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Questions tagged [geshem-tal-ruach]

prayers for rain and dew in the second and ninth blessing of the Amida

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Why don’t we say “vetein tal lev’racha”?

According to those who say “morid hatal” in the second b’racha of Shemoneh Esrei between Pesach and Sukkos, why don’t they also say vetein tal lev’racha in the ninth b’racha (instead of vetein b’racha)...
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Mistake first night of Pesach vs Dec 4 on Friday night

The Kitzur Shulchan Aruch writes in Siman 19 Halacha 9, that if one began his Shemoneh Esrei on the first night of Pesach and he accidentally began saying a weekday amidah and he came to the Bracha of ...
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If dew is automatic why do we have Tefillas Tal?

I heard in a dvar Torah that Tal, dew, is automatic (or much more so than rain). This is connected to the view that Pesach represents אתערותא דלעילא that is that HaShem helps us even though we are not ...
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A few questions on the meaning of טל

What do the words "מוריד הטל" mean? Dew does not "fall" or "come down". Also what do the words "ותן טל...לברכה" mean? What is an example of טל not לברכה?
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On which evening should we start saying “V'tein tal u'matar li'vrachah”? (The ArtScroll siddur disagrees with The Book of Our Heritage.) [duplicate]

If a Jew lives outside of Israel, they should start saying "וְתֵן טַל וּמָטָר לִבְרָכָה" ("And give dew and rain for a blessing") during evening prayers on a certain evening in December. Various ...
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Rain: Geshem or Matar?

We start praising Hashem for rain on Shmini Atzeret, referring to rain as Geshem: וּמוֹרִיד הַגֶּשֶׁם A few weeks later we start asking for rain and Ashkenazim use the word Matar - וְתֵן טַל וּמָטָר ...
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Rain on Sukkos a bad sign outside the land of Israel

The Mishnah (Taanis 1:1) says: ...אֵין הַגְּשָׁמִים אֶלָּא סִימַן קְלָלָה בֶּחָג‏ ...the descent of rain on the festival of tabernacles is to be considered an unpropitious event The ...
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Was there some form of Tefilas Tal before Rabbi Eleazar Ha-Kallir?

Tefilas Tal (and Geshem) were composed by Rabbi Eleazar Ha-Kallir who lived around 570 – 640 CE. How did the synagogue service mark the change from winter to summer and vice versa before he composed ...
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Singing Mashiv Haruach

The Shulchan Aruch and Rama pasken in Orach Chaim Siman 114:9 that if one says Mashiv Haruach (or doesn't say Mashiv Haruach) 90 times (with the surrounding words) we assume he made a Chazaka and will ...
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Why do we start requesting rain on the 59th day after tekufas Tishri?

What is the reason that in the diaspora, we start requesting rain in the Amidah on the 59th day after תקופת תשרי and what is the significance of 59 days in particular?
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How does Rambam explain why we don't ask for rain until the end of sukkos

The Mishnah in Sukkah 2:9 gives a parable to the situation of rain falling on Sukkos: מָשְׁלוּ מָשָׁל, לְמָה הַדָּבָר דּוֹמֶה, לְעֶבֶד שֶׁבָּא לִמְזוֹג כּוֹס לְרַבּוֹ, וְשָׁפַךְ לוֹ קִיתוֹן עַל ...
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Text of מוריד הטל [duplicate]

Why in the mentioning of God's power to bring dew in the shemoneh esrei do we only say מוריד הטל when during the תפילת טל on פסח we say the whole phrase of משיב הרוח ומוריד הטל?
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Not saying v'sain bracha

In Shulchan Aruch Orach Chaim Siman 117 Sif 3 it says that if someone said "v'sain tal u'matir l'vracha" in the bracha of Bircas Hashanim during the summer months then he must pray again (this is ...
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Why not cease מוריד הגשם at שחרית according to רמ״א?

The rabbi spoke today during prayer services and made the following points (inter alia; and I've no citations for most of them): The time to cease saying "מוריד הגשם" and start saying "מוריד הטל" is ...
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Geshem and Tal in Eretz Yisrael

Why are Geshem and Tal said before the chatzi kaddish of mussaf in most ashkenazi communities in eretz yisrael as opposed to during chazarat hashatz like in chutz laaretz?
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Why is there a 'monkey' drawn in this old script of Tefillat Ha'Geshem?

I found this photo printed in a Russian/Hebrew booklet about the Days of Awe. The caption says that this is part of Tefilat HaGeshem, but non specifically says that it is 'ancient' and handwritten. ...
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What does “give a blessing on the face of the earth” mean?

The ninth blessing of the weekday Amida as recited between Pesach and the rainy season contains, in some traditions, the phrase: ותן ברכה על פני האדמה and give a blessing on the face of the earth ...
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Why do we start saying “Veten tal umatar” during Ma'ariv?

I understand that the starting date to say "Veten Tal Umatar" during weekday AMidah outside of Israel is based on being 60 days after Tekufat Tishrei. This is always a solar-based calculation, and on ...
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Etnachta on גֶשם vs. גָשם

I have heard that the reason that many siddurim print משיב הרוח ומוריד הגשם with a segol is because it is more common for גשם with an etnachta to be vocalised that way, rather than with a kamatz. Is ...
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Saying ״ותן טל ומטר״ the mincha before it begins, and remembering after sunset

On a year in which the night we start to say ותן טל ומטר is a weekday night, if one forgets to say ותן ברכה by the מנחה before and doesn't realize that he forgot it until שקיעה, what is the Halacha ...
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Between Shemini Atzeres and the Shemoneh Esrei 9th blessing's prayer for rain

In the Shemoneh Esrei, the line "who makes the wind blow and the rain descend" is added to the Second Blessing from Shemini Atzeres. The request to "give dew and rain for a blessing" is not added to ...
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If Tefillat Tal or Geshem was omitted, should Musaph be repeated?

One year, during hashkama minyan in my shul, the chazan forgot to say Tal as part of Musaph on the 1st day of Pesach. The shul davens nusach Ashkenaz, and the chazzan did not say Mashiv Haru'ach in ...
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Why don't we care if the Pesach pilgrims get rained on?

After Sukkos, we immediately begin saying mashiv haruach, as it is the rainy season. However, we delay saying v'sein tal umattar, the request for rain, until we have given the pilgrims who came to ...
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Is there a malach taking care of rain or not?

The Gemara in Taanis 2a mentions rain as one of the items that Hashem never gives the key of which over to a messenger. אמר ר' יוחנן ג' מפתחות בידו של הקב''ה שלא נמסרו ביד שליח ואלו הן מפתח של ...
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Why don't we say “Misod” for Geshem and Tal?

On Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur, the Shat"z says a short paragraph at the beginning of his repetition that starts with the words "מסוד חכמים ונבונים," which is an explanation for the insertion of extra ...
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Should you say mashiv haruach if it's raining?

If it is currently raining in your location and it is not the proper time to say mashiv haruach, should you say it anyways? Mashiv haruach, unlike v'ten tal umatar, is a recognition of God's power to ...
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On what day exactly should one read the added phrases prayers?

When praying the Amidah at the second prayer of "Atá Gibor..." during summer one adds, "Morid hatal" between Pesach and Shemini Atseret; whereas in winter during Shemini Atseret and Pesach one adds, "...
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Answer after “Morid haTal” in the Amida

In my shul, people answer something after "Morid hatal" in the Hazara of the Amida. It sounds like "Livraha". Do you know what word it is exactly and what it means? Thank you
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Said “משיב הרוח”: continue “ומוריד הטל”?

Some, during the summer, say in the amida (sh'mone esre) ‏… מחיה מתים אתה רב להושיע מכלכל חיים בחסד…‏‎  (1) with nothing between "להושיע" and "מכלכל". Some ...
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Why do we say only “Morid Hatal” without words “Mashiv haru'ach” before it?

During winter months, we say "You make the wind blow and the rain fall". During the summer, we say only "You make the dew fall." Why don't we include the beginning part about blowing the wind? I ...
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Which version of “Barech alenu” to say on Shabas or yom tov?

We say the "tal" (dew) prayer at musaf on the first day of Pesach, inaugurating the season in which we no longer mention rain in the amida prayer. However, this is immediately relevant to only "mashiv ...
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Why announce Mashiv Haruach and not Vtein Tal?

When we start saying mashiv haruach there is an important requirement of announcing the liturgical change. If one does not hear the announcement, one does not say mashiv until the community would have ...
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How often does chanukah start before v'tain tal?

Outside of Israel, we start saying "v'tain tal oomatar livrachah" ("and provide dew and rain for a blessing") in the amida on the evening of December 4th or 5th (depending on the year). Chanukah ...
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Tashlumin for a missing bracha - What if one forgot “veten tal omatar” on friday mincha

If one forgets the "veten tal omatar livracha" phrase in the ashkenazi nussach, they must pray again (if they have finished the whole prayer). What happens if one forgot on mincha on friday, and the ...
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When do we switch from Morid Hatal to Morid Hageshem and vice versa?

According to Shulchan Aruch, (please cite Saeef and Siman so I can read further): When do we switch from Morid Hatal to Morid Hageshem and vice versa? What about Barechenu and Barech Alenu? What ...
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V'Sain Tal U'Matar for someone from Eretz Yisrael in Chutz L'Aretz (and vice versa)

In Eretz Yisrael we start saying V'Sain Tal U'Matar on the 7th of Cheshvan. If someone from Eretz Yisrael will be in America on the 7th of Cheshvan and will be flying back to Eretz Yisrael a few days ...
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Blessing for the rain; blessing for the dew

I have a question that, in light of my general unfamiliarity with variance between nuschaot (and my profound unfamiliarity with meteorology and the way that seasons actually work), may not be much of ...
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Nusach of Tefilas Geshem

In Tefilas Geshem we say "Al HaSela Hach Vayeitzu Mayim" translated by Artscroll as: Remember the one [Moses] drawn forth in a bulrush basket from the water. They said, 'He drew water and ...
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Why do they replace one טל for another in shmoneh esre in Israel?

Why, in Israel, do they get rid of ותן טל ומתר in barech aleinu but then add מוריד הטל in ata gibor? If it's the end of the season for טל (which, maybe i'm wrong, but I don't think there an end to ...
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How to calculate 60 days from tekufat tishri for any given year?

I'm trying to pin down an algorithm for calculating when to start saying ותן טל ומטר in diaspora. (In Israel it begins 7 Cheshvan.) I've gotten that we need to know how many centuries passed since ...
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Why doesn't Tefilat Geshem have a verse referring to Miriam?

The "Tefilat Geshem" ("Prayer for Rain") recited on Shemini 'Atzeret contains six verses. Each verse refers to a different person (except the last, which refers to a nation) and makes various ...
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Tal UMatar - for whom?

According to the build-up in this question the point of Tal UMatar is to pray for good rains in one's local area. The same seems to be assumed in other questions and especially a couple of different ...
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Mashiv HaRuach - V'Sain (veten) Tal Umatar

Why do we start saying Mashiv HaRuach on Shemini Atzeres yet we do not say V'Sain Tal Umatar until Dec 4 / Dec 5 (In Chutz L'Aretz)? Why should they not be on the same day when they are similar ...
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Israeli Chazzan outside of Israel says “tal umotor” at the right time for him but not us

We know that the shaliach tzibbur must follow the local custom even to the extent of his own silent Amidah . What should be done, then, when a resident of Israel who is acting as shaliach tzibbur ...
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Praying for rain in the Diaspora

Why on this year (and on other years that precede civil leap years) do we start praying for rain in the Diaspora (by inserting the phrase 'Vetein tal umatar") at maariv of December 5 and not maariv of ...
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When is “vesain tal umotor” said in Australia?

When is "vesain tal umotor" said in the Southern Hemisphere eg Australia?
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Where can I find the current water level of the Kineret to see the effect of mentioning Morid Hageshem?

Throughout the winter we pray Mashiv HaRuach UMorid HaGeshem. My understanding is that it is said for Eretz Yisroel dwellers (unlike V'sain Tal Umatar LBracha which is said for your locale). As we ...
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Saying Mashiv HaRuach in the Southern Hemisphere

In the Southern Hemisphere (Brazil, Australia, South Africa, etc.) in October they are heading into the summer. Do they say Mashiv HaRuach at this time of the year or do they say it from Pesach to ...
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Morid HaGeshem or Morid HaGoshem

What is the correct pronunciation HaGeshem or HaGoshem?