Why is it that when rishonim quote from the Talmud Yerushalmi they don't quote the daf?

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    Same reason for not quoting the daf in TB: there was no standard pagination.
    – Oliver
    Dec 21, 2018 at 17:30
  • Tosafos, for example, generally quotes the daf when quoting TB but not when quoting a TY.
    – yosef lavi
    Dec 21, 2018 at 17:34
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    Tosafos does not quote the page numbers, that was added by later printers.
    – user9643
    Dec 21, 2018 at 17:35
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    Tosfos only references chapter names, or the beginnings or ends of them eg. בריש פירקין
    – Double AA
    Dec 21, 2018 at 17:39
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    @yoseflavi When Tosfos existed (Medieval times), dafim weren’t “invented” yet. That only came with the printing press; the modern pagination follows the Vilna edition specifically, from the mid-18th century. Any daf references before would have been included by later printers. Ditto for Yerushalmi; that had a standard set much earlier, of Perek X Halacha X, though I’m not sure exactly how far back that one goes.
    – DonielF
    Dec 21, 2018 at 19:11

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Nowadays, the Talmud Bavli normally uses the printed edition of the Vilna Shas. Those who write translations or extra commentaries, will use the Vilna Shas pagination in order to keep the references standard. Those commentaries or references that came before the Vilna shas was printed can only point to the perek and mishna within the perek because the pagination had not yet been standardized. The Talmud Yerushalmi did not have a standard printed edition to refer to.

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