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I was told the spiritual worlds are above time, does that mean they always existed? What does it mean that on some level they do not experience any change?

Sources please.

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    What are "the spiritual worlds"? – Alex Oct 11 '18 at 21:50
  • @Alex anything for example atzilus, beriya... – hazoriz Oct 11 '18 at 21:51
  • "Always" means "thru time", but if you claim they are above time, 'above' is inapplicable. Sorry. It's a well-known paradigm of the creation when there were day 1, day 2 till day 4 when the celestial bodies were created to denote time. – Al Berko Oct 12 '18 at 12:09
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The answer is simple, albeit unsourced: time is the measure of change. Our world has time because it has intrinsic changes.

But spiritual worlds are created still, with no possible change, as in:

"העולם הבא אין בו לא אכילה ולא שתיה ולא פריה ורביה ולא משא ומתן ולא קנאה ולא שנאה ולא תחרות, אלא צדיקים יושבין ועטרותיהם בראשיהם ונהנים מזיו השכינה, שנאמר: ויחזו את האלהים ויאכלו וישתו (שמות כ"ד י"א) "

Also the Mishnah Avot 4,17 says that changing one's spiritual status is only possible in this world, and impossible in the WTC. (THat's why we do things לעילוי נשמת that they can not do for themselves).

הוא היה אומר, יפה שעה אחת בתשובה ומעשים טובים בעולם הזה, מכל חיי העולם הבא. ויפה שעה אחת של קורת רוח בעולם הבא, מכל חיי העולם הזה

This is why the term "time" is inapplicable in the world where no change is possible.

  • Except the spiritual worlds do change. See basically all of Nefesh HaChaim. – robev Oct 12 '18 at 13:10
  • @robev and in this answer there seems to be change of aliyas hanishama – hazoriz Oct 12 '18 at 13:17
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Rabbi Golomb mashpia in 770 said: That the Tzimszum and Atzilus always existed (and did not change), but there was a time that Beriya did not exist (it is a chidush)

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