2

In common nowadays practice the woman's chest area is treated on par with the lower part and must be covered (swimsuits etc, ads, movies rating etc).

According to the laws of Tznius (modesty), is woman's covering of the chest-area equalled to Makom Ervah or to the other parts of her body (thighs, stomach, back, shoulders)?

  • 3
    Why might there be? – Double AA Jul 10 '18 at 21:26
  • @DoubleAA - Maybe because you see from the Gemorah Shabbos 140b and Rashi ד"ה נטיק, and Brachos 10b הוד יפיה, that it has special status. – פרי זהב Jul 10 '18 at 22:09
  • 1
    Are you asking if it would be more stringent regarding covering? If so, are you assuming that the other areas do not have to be covered? – Alex Jul 10 '18 at 22:24
  • 2
    @פריזהב if that is the case, that should be incorporated into the question. – רבות מחשבות Jul 10 '18 at 23:13
  • 1
    @Alex or if we believe that even though they need to be covered, one may still make a Beracha in front of uncovered body parts.? – רבות מחשבות Jul 10 '18 at 23:26
1

For starters: Shu"A Orach Hayim 75:

"להזהר מגלוי שער וקול אשה בשעת ק"ש וכן שלא לקרותה כנגד הערוה. ובו ו סעיפים:

טפח מגולה באשה במקום שדרכה לכסותו אפי' היא אשתו אסו' לקרות ק"ש כנגדה:

הגה וי"א דוקא באשתו אבל באשה אחרת אפי' פחות מטפח הוה ערוה (הגהות מיימוני פרק ג') ויראה מדברי הרא"ש דטפח באשה ערוה אפילו לאשה אחרת רק שבעצמה יכולה לקרות אע"פ שהיא ערומה כדלעיל סי' ע"ד:

A handsbreadth that is uncovered on a woman in a place where it is her practice (lit. way) to cover it, even if it his wife, it is forbidden to read the Shema in front of it.

And some say that this is specifically with respect to his wife but with another woman even less than a handsbreadth is Erva (lit. nakedness). And it seems from the words of the Rosh that a handsbreadth on a woman is Erva even to another woman, except that by herself she is able to read [the Shema] even though she is naked like was said earlier in Siman 74.

Seemingly, the Mechaber does not set a fixed definition of the Ervah (for the purpose of Krishma), but relative to the currently accepted norms, so the chest in our culture would have the severity of the Makom Ervah.

However Rem"a adds that this is relative to men, but between women, only Makom Ervah is considered to be unacceptable for reading Krishmah.

  • +1 but it does seem it has the same law as her back and stumach area – hazoriz Nov 2 '18 at 12:35

You must log in to answer this question.

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged .