The related question discusses what kind of learning is needed to bring forth a kaddish derabanan. In many minyanim, some learning (or a two-minute quick drash by someone) is undertaken between mincha and ma'ariv and is followed by a kaddish derabanan.

But I have not seen the kaddish derabanan said after a sermon by the rav on a Shabbat morning. The content certainly is equal to or more comprehensive than a short vort in the evening (and one could certainly add the "R. Chananya" passage).

Why hasn't having a kaddish derabanan become instituted at that part of the davening?

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    There's already a Kaddish literally right after. No need to add extra Kaddishes.
    – Double AA
    Commented Jun 21, 2018 at 22:35
  • @DoubleAA but if this quote is accurate "And this is what the Rambam says: Whenever there are ten or more Jews who are involved in learning Torah Sheba'al Peh, even Midrashim or Agados, when they finish one of them says standing up Kaddish D'Rabanan. (משנה תורה, סדר התפילה ל)" then it wouldn't be extra, nor could it be replaced by a chatzi kaddish before musaf.
    – rosends
    Commented Jun 21, 2018 at 22:38
  • How could saying Kaddish twice in succession not be extra?? Btw Chatzi Kaddish is a misnomer. That's the whole Kaddish. At the conclusion of a service we customarily add extra nice things after (similar to Harachmans after Bentching) depending on the service completed (prayer:titkabel, Talmud:Al rabanan, etc.) Here the service is continuing so we wouldn't add (assuming anyone historically cared to think about this; most kaddish common practices are dictated by where sidurim tend to print it or where mourners insist on saying it; rabbis generally have minimal control here.)
    – Double AA
    Commented Jun 21, 2018 at 22:39
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    In my shul I've sort of assumed that we don't say kaddish because there is kaddish later in davening. But when we have a scholar in residence who speaks after davening we don't say kaddish. Yet if he speaks between Mincha and Maariv we do. Very inconsistent. Commented Jun 21, 2018 at 23:14
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    @DoubleAA But that write up is the most clear, honest, succinct and to the point presentation I have heard and it actually satisfies my curiosity completely.
    – rosends
    Commented Jun 22, 2018 at 0:58


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