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When the Shaliach Tzibbur says Tachanun, should he leave his position and say it sitting down or should he rather stay in position and say it without physically sitting down but in a manner which is still halachically valid for Tachanun? Related: Tachanun with No Seats

  • Why would you assume that he can't leave his position? – רבות מחשבות Jun 6 '18 at 16:47
  • @ רבותמחשבות I have assumed nothing. I have seen sheluchei tzibbur who remained at the omud and that's why I asked. – Avrohom Yitzchok Jun 6 '18 at 16:55
  • Ok. Thanks for clarifying. Perhaps add that in to the question, as I might otherwise assume that you think there is some reason to avoid sitting down. – רבות מחשבות Jun 6 '18 at 17:07
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    You actually have assumed that it is possible he can't or shouldn't leave his location. The reason you think that is possible is that it explains a surprising behavior you saw someone else do. – Double AA Jun 6 '18 at 17:12
  • @רבותמחשבות You (and DoubleAA) are right. See my comment to Gershon Gold's answer. – Avrohom Yitzchok Jun 7 '18 at 8:39
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Per Rabbi Naftali Hoffner in Halacha - Nesias Kapayim U'Tachanun 92:3 the three steps one is supposed to take after Shemona Esrei prior to walking is applicable to the Chazan. The Chazan does these three steps at Kadish Shaleim after the end of Ashrei / Uva Ltzion. Therefore it is proper for the Chazan to not sit down and to say Tachanun at the Amud. He does note that according to the Rambam the Chazan may sit down for the Tachanun.

  • Now there's an interesting aspect. I assume that this book was written fairly recently, i.e. after O.C.? Reason I ask is that O.C. assumes that Shat"z was also Torah reader. However, currently, it is more common to have a different person read the Torah. So, if I understand Rav Hoffner's ruling, that implies that the shat"z may not sit while the Torah is read? – DanF Jun 6 '18 at 20:42
  • @DanF: Instead of assuming why not check the front of the book and see that it is a recent book. Has Haskama from Rabbi Moshe Feinstein Zatzal. – Gershon Gold Jun 6 '18 at 20:59
  • Thank you. I felt that there had to be some reason as I once heard a Rav advise against sitting down. – Avrohom Yitzchok Jun 7 '18 at 8:39
  • Wouldn't walking around be more of a problem than sitting in place? I don't understand this. – Double AA Jun 7 '18 at 11:01
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From here:

Tachanun is the only part of davening where the chazzan does not stand. Since the entire purpose of the Tachanun is to recite a prayer while one is bowing, the chazzan also "falls Tachanun."

This answer states that if one is leaning on the amud to the point where he would fall if it were removed, then, it's considered like sitting. Thus, I have seen many shlichei tzibbur do this.

As to whether it is ideal for one to sit fully on a chair and therefore leave the amud to do this - I'm uncertain. I've seen both methods performed. One may question if leaving the amud for something possibly unnecessary such as this might be torach tzibbur.

Apparently, he doesn't need to leave his position, as I've alluded to, but, is better clarified in the linked question. As to whether it is ideal for the chazzan to specifically sit, and if he needs to, can he leave the amud to do that - I don't know, offhand. I have seen chazzanim do that, while others lean, and, both are permitted.

  • Thank you for the answer; +1. I have edited the question as a result. I particularly want to know the answer where the shaliach tzibbur has not left the amud but is leaning enough for it not to be called standing. – Avrohom Yitzchok Jun 6 '18 at 16:59
  • @AvrohomYitzchok In that case, it's considered sitting, which is what he should be doing. You may want to ask a follow up Q, and possibly generalize - "May the Shat"z leave the amud?" – DanF Jun 6 '18 at 17:12
  • I have added a word to the question "physically" which I hope helps. – Avrohom Yitzchok Jun 6 '18 at 18:16
  • In my shul, when serving as chazzan, we have been directed to sit for tachanun and not stand until the last paragraph. – Dennis Jun 6 '18 at 19:15
  • I've edited my answer, as you seem to have aspects to your question. You might want to ask a follow-up. – DanF Jun 6 '18 at 19:16

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