If an ambulance arrived at a hospital on Shabbos with a Jewish 2 man crew, and the second (non driving) medical technician does not have a driver's license, and there is another (non-medical) person there, who has a car & wants to return to his home from the hospital-

If the ambulance may be needed for other emergencies, and therefore its driver may drive the ambulance back to its place of origin, may he leave the second (non driving) medical technician, who may also be needed for future emergencies, at the hospital, in order to allow the 3rd non-medical person to drive him back with his own car?

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    I'm getting a bit lost in some of this. If the non-driving technician is needed for future emergencies, why isn't he riding back in the ambulance? In other words, there seems to be a "definition" here that the person's "work" as a technician which allows him to violate Shabbat is that he is either in an ambulance or in a hospital, etc. involved with the emergency. A private car is not meant for emergencies. It sounds like you are "planning" the use of a private car in case the 2nd technician has an emergency. I don't think you can plan things this way, when you had the other option. – DanF May 30 '18 at 20:50
  • @DanF Correction- The 2nd technician must return to his hometown in order to be available for future emergencies. He does not have the option of remaining at the hospital. My question is whether knowing that the 3rd person wants to go home too, may the ambulance driver leave the hospital without taking his partner along with him in the ambulance, in order to enable the 3rd person to drive him home with his private car, and thus get himself back home too? – RibbisRabbiAndMore May 30 '18 at 21:10
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    It's an interesting question. I'm inclined to say "No". The ambulance driver definitely had permission to drive back, and he can take a rider. (If I'm correct, there is no melacha for someone to ride in a car - even if, say, it was the car owner.) The non-driving medic does need to return, too. But by leaving him in the hospital, you, in a sense, "force" him to drive back the other medic in his own car, when, in actuality, the other medic had another viable non-melcaha option available. – DanF May 30 '18 at 22:04
  • @DanF "by leaving him in the hospital, you, in a sense, "force" him to drive back the other medic in his own car, when, in actuality, the other medic had another viable non-melcaha option available." What would be the problem with causing someone to have to do something on shabbat which is pikuach nefesh, if before that he had another option but at the time of his action he no longer does?Do you have a source that this is forbidden? – RibbisRabbiAndMore May 30 '18 at 22:26
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    @JoshK Ribbis correctly mentioned the main problem. But there have been some opinions stating that one may ride the New York City subway on Shabbat providing that one doesn't need to pay the fare or carry anything. Here, the subway is working and stopping at its stops not specifically for you. The fare & carrying are separate problems unrelated to riding. As long as the transportation is not specifically for you, there's no problem riding it. – DanF May 31 '18 at 2:22

See O.C. 328:10 that says that while one may violate Shabat rules for choleh sheyesh sakanah, one should try to do as little melacha as possible. Thus, if a Gentile could drive the ambulance, they should do that.

In this case, even though there is no immediate choleh on returning back to ambulance base, the point is that the medic can drive the ambulance back to base because they must have an ambulance ready for even a safek sakanah (i.e., in case another emergency may occur.) So, the other medic, who is also needed, should ride back in the ambulance. If they had a Gentile who could drive the ambulance, they should use him, but, apparently, they don't so the next available "minimal" level is using the ambulance driver.

using the Jew who is in the hospital who wants to get back home, would be on a "higher" level of melacha as he is not a doctor and is not reacting to an emergency - at least not on the same level as the ambulance driver. I.e. be using the other Jew, you are "increasing" the melacha "usage".

  • I ask again- Whith whom would the problem be? The ambulance driver may drive back. What would "Obligate" him to take the other medic along with him? . Once he leaves the other medic "stranded" he has no choice but to be driven back by the non-medical person. So who is doing something wrong? – RibbisRabbiAndMore May 30 '18 at 23:18
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    @ribbis i don't see that in your question. You asked if one is allowed to leave the second guy so that he can go with a different driver back home, and that is answered very well in this post. If you wanna change the question, you must do so before answers are posted, or post a new question with that info. – aBochur May 30 '18 at 23:59
  • @aBochur I did not change my question. So if you understood my question as "if one (the ambulance driver) is allowed to leave the second guy so that he can go with a different driver back home" , Can you please show me where his answer tells me why he cannot? – RibbisRabbiAndMore May 31 '18 at 0:13
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    @ribbis "one should try to do as little melachaas possible." 3rd line of the answer – aBochur May 31 '18 at 0:18
  • @aBochur So who is this "ONE" he/ you are referring to in regard to this question? The ambulance driver? what fewer melachos is he doing if he does or doesnt take the other medic along with him? – RibbisRabbiAndMore May 31 '18 at 0:34

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