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On Shabbos one should refrain from speaking about mundane matters. The Rambam makes a statement that one should refrain from sichah biteilah on Shabbos (Hilchos Shabbos 24:4) while the Rosh uses the phrase devarim yeserim (Shabbos 15:2). What exactly is the difference between the two statements? Are these just two statements saying the same thing or is it possible that devarim yeserim also includes how much one speaks?

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    I went ahead and added sources and cleaned up your grammar for you. In the future would you please try to do that before posting? Thanks! – DonielF May 17 '18 at 1:13
  • I don’t think the amount is the difference, because even the Rambam writes “lehabos bisichah biteilah,” to increase in unnecessary speech. Perhaps the difference is in quality instead? – DonielF May 17 '18 at 1:15
  • @DonielF I think it would make sense that they would both agree on quality in terms of refraining from devarim b'teilim. My question is more on the rosh and perhaps in addition to the quality he holds the quantity should be less on shabbos? – Dude May 17 '18 at 1:52
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    I should note the Shulchan Aruch OC 307:1 uses the Rambam’s wording. – DonielF May 17 '18 at 4:29
  • Literally, we have devarim yeserim: talking more than necessary (going on about your latest thing in excruciating detail, though even saying Gut Shabbos was frowned upon, apparently), and sichah biteilah: talking nonsense (like analyzing the latest polls for next year's elections, maybe). – Danny Schoemann May 17 '18 at 9:34

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