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When reading Torah in the morning, we daven shemoneh esrei of shacharit and then afterwards read the Torah.

When reading Torah in the afternoon (Shabbos/fast days), we read Torah first and then daven shemoneh esrei afterwards.

Why the difference in ordering?

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  • And after maariv and before musaf
    – Heshy
    Commented May 6, 2018 at 15:33
  • @Heshy when do we lain after maariv?
    – aBochur
    Commented May 6, 2018 at 16:50
  • @aBochur Simchas Torah. And Purim and Tisha Beav if you count megillos.
    – Heshy
    Commented May 6, 2018 at 17:02
  • @heshy oh i didn't know that, as in chabad we dont lain on simchas tora after maariv.
    – aBochur
    Commented May 6, 2018 at 17:11
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    Maybe it's so that people who had to work could leave early from Shacharit and come late to Mincha
    – Double AA ♦
    Commented May 8, 2018 at 15:37

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This question was asked on kipa.co.il.

The answer given by R. Ronen Lebovitz was:

וזאת משום שבשחרית יש לסמוך את קריאת שמע לעמידה, ולכן קריאת התורה באה רק לאחר העמידה. טעם נוסף הוא שהתפילות תוקנו כנגד קורבנות התמיד. בשחרית לא היה דבר הקודם לתמיד של שחר, ואילו במנחה לא היה נעשה דבר לאחר תמיד של בין הערביים, ולכן אין קוראים בתורה לפני תפילת השחר, ולא אחרי תפילת המנחה

This is because at shacharit one needs to have keriat shema immediately followed by amidah, therefore the keriat hatorah only comes after amidah. A further reason is that our [amidah] prayers were established to correspond to the daily offerings. At shacharit time, nothing came before the daily morning offering, whereas at minchah time, nothing was done after the daily afternoon offering. Therefore we do not read the Torah before shacharit [amidah], nor after minchah [amidah].

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  • As I mentioned in the comments to the question, I don't understand the first answer. Just do it after yishtabach.
    – Heshy
    Commented May 6, 2018 at 21:48
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    I think an important piece is missing from the explanation. Do we assume that specifically the Amidah is what is the substitute for the sacrifices? I think that's what's going on, but the answer doesn't specify this. Perhaps, you want to clarify that aspect, esp. for many readers who don't know this/
    – DanF
    Commented May 7, 2018 at 15:51
  • "Sidepoint" - In Shacharit, why do we have Tachanun between the Amidah and reading? Assuming my previous comment, why not place Torah reading immediately after Amidah?
    – DanF
    Commented May 7, 2018 at 15:54
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    @DanF I’ve edited to clarify in line with your first comment. In terms of your second comment, tachanun is seen is as being an addendum to amidah (e.g. see Rambam here) so it wouldn’t make much sense to interpose keriat hatorah between them.
    – Joel K
    Commented May 8, 2018 at 15:22
  • @DanF as a further proof on the Tachanun point, there is the Gemara in Bava Metzia about Rabbi Eliezer praying for the death of Rabban Gamliel and its effectiveness based on connecting Shmona Esrei & Tachanun
    – Ze'ev
    Commented Jun 1, 2021 at 15:02

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