If one makes an early Shabbos during the nine days of Aveilus before Tish'a B'Av, does that mean s/he can eat meat earlier? Or does one still have to wait until it is actually nightfall?

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    Or similarly, if you extend shabbos late, can you continue eating meat? Though that's worse as you've now entered "the week of Tisha B'av", which is stricter than the preceding days starting at Rosh Chodesh.
    – Shalom
    Commented Aug 1, 2011 at 18:11
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    Does a real avel limit his restrictions to d'varim sheb'tzin'a as soon as he starts tosefes shabas?
    – WAF
    Commented Aug 1, 2011 at 19:19
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    @WAF Yes. Pitchei Teshuva YD 400:1
    – Double AA
    Commented Jun 25, 2012 at 5:36

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On Shabbos there is no restriction against eating meat or drinking wine even if one began Shabbos early - any time after plag ha-Minchah.

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    Examine Reb Moshe's tshuva: he allows feeding it to kids who won't stay up. But no heter for the family to have their meal early. שו"ת אגרות משה אורח חיים ח"ד סימן כא ובדבר להאכיל לקטנים בע"ש אחר חצות בשר בט' הימים אין שום טעם להתיר זה דמ"ש הם מגדולים בשביל כבוד שבת ואם מחנכין אותם באיסור אכילת בשר כדאיתא במ"ב בס"ק ע' שאף לתינוקות אין מאכילין בשר כהדגמ"ר ליכא טעם שיהיו מותרין להאכילם בע"ש אחר חצות, ורק אם עדיין לא הרגילום לחכות בימי הקיץ עד אחר מעריב אלא מאכילין אותן סעודת שבת בשעה או כשתי שעות קודם קבלת שבת יכולין אז להאכילן בשר.
    – user800
    Commented Aug 5, 2011 at 14:11
  • @Milwaukee_Rebbe, welcome to Judaism.SE, and thanks for the note! The paragraph you quote, about feeding kids before Shabbat on late Friday afternoon, seems to be the only part of the teshuva that addresses Friday. I don't know how R' Neustadt sees therein specific permission for adults to eat meat after Shabbat starts, before nightfall. On the other hand, that's certainly not precluded by what R' Moshe does say. Please consider registering your account, to help the site keep track of your contributions.
    – Isaac Moses
    Commented Aug 5, 2011 at 14:47
  • @IsaacMoses That's because this Teshuva is not R' Neustadt's source. GershonGold appended the listed source reference from a different statement. This answer is inaccurate.
    – Double AA
    Commented Jul 9, 2013 at 10:56
  • Lol, Gershon: you even accepted elsewhere that that Teshuva is on a different topic!
    – Double AA
    Commented Jul 10, 2013 at 13:48
  • Interesting. @DoubleAA, then what is his source (if you know)?
    – Seth J
    Commented Jul 10, 2013 at 14:27

An oral ruling of Rabbi Moshe Feinstein (recorded in Moadei Yeshurun pg 131 paragraph 8) states:

One who extends the observance of Shabbos by accepting it earlier on Friday or keeping it longer Saturday night, may eat meat and drink wine or grape juice during the extended period.

The footnote there (#62) references the oral ruling as well as one of Rabbi Feinstein's student's responsa, Rivevos Ephraim 1:367:2, who doesn't cite Rabbi Feinstein (as there is no prior written record of this ruling of his) but comes to the same conclusion only in the instance of extending Shabbos earlier into Friday.

(h/t Rabbi Doniel Neustadt for pointing me to Moadei Yeshurun)


Shabbos is dorita, Prohibition on meet is drabannan

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    And therefore??
    – yydl
    Commented Aug 3, 2011 at 16:12
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    The issue here isn't shabas and meat eating coming into conflict. It is the delimitation of the prohibition on meat. Since one does not need to give up on the mitzva mid'Oraisa of kidush (or that of tosefes shabas) in order to refrain from eating meat, the two actions could coexist.
    – WAF
    Commented Aug 3, 2011 at 16:14
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    To further what @WAF said, when 9 Av falls out on Motza'ei Shabbat, one must fast starting at sunset, even though the fast is clearly d'Rabbanan. This is true even if the fast is nidcheh, where we might expect even more kulot.
    – JXG
    Commented Aug 4, 2011 at 12:01
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    The prohibition on meat and wine in this case is only a minhag (not a derabanan) as it is not the Seudah Mafseket.
    – Double AA
    Commented Jul 22, 2012 at 21:32
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    @AdamMosheh See Shulchan Aruch OC 249:4 and 551:9 respectively.
    – Double AA
    Commented Aug 12, 2012 at 4:24

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