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If a Chosson & Kallah during the first week they got married attended a Bris, should the assembled recite Sheva Brachos after Bentching?

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  • Is this not a case of en m'arvin?
    – DanF
    Feb 12, 2019 at 15:08
  • @DanF en m'arvin may only apply in certain instances.
    – Gershon Gold
    Feb 12, 2019 at 15:27

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This case comes up in the Rishonim, and the answer is simply no, the Seudah must be made Lichvod Chattan veKallah to be considered Simchat and Beit Chattanim. Birkat Hashem (vol. 4 page 345), Shalmei Simcha page 347, Shevet HaLevi (vol. 10 Siman 247:3)

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This is a Machlokes haposkim. This happened at the bris of my youngest son 31 years ago. The Kvaters were a couple during sheva brachos and my Dvar Torah was about this subject in which I proved we do say sheva brachos. However, Rav Moshe Heinemann was present (he was Sandak) and I deferred to him. He paskened we should say "shehasimcha bimono," but not sheva brachos. I asked Rav Moshe Bunim Perutinsky the Halacha and he said I was correct, we do say sheva brachos in that case and he wrote this in Sefer Habris, second edition (I only had the first edition and didn't find it there).

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  • Why would you use a newlywedded couple as kvatrin?? They'd surely be niddah and unable to pass the baby
    – Double AA ♦
    Nov 20, 2022 at 16:18
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    Are you discussing a case where nothing was added to the meal for the newlyweds? If something was added then it's not much of a question that the meal is, in part, in their honor and the blessing[s] would be recited
    – Double AA ♦
    Nov 20, 2022 at 16:19
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    Some hold the exact oppisite. If a suedah was intended as a joint sheva brachos & Bris you do say Sheva Brochas but not "shehasimcha bimono," You don't say "shehasimcha bimono," by a bris because of the pain caused to the baby. That prevents it from being said even if a sheva brachos is being held at the same time
    – Schmerel
    Nov 20, 2022 at 16:52
  • Niddah is not a problem, the woman puts the baby down. Nothing has to be added to the meal because the meal does not have to be specifically for the choson and kallah, this shita holds their presence at a seuda that has a minyan creates the chiyuv of sheva brachos. It is explicit in poskim as Rav Heinemann paskened, the simcha bmono is not said for the baby only for the couple.
    – Sander Goldberg
    Nov 21, 2022 at 18:24
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Young Israel of North Belmore's Practices and Procedures for Sheva Bruchos says the meal should be prepared specifically for the bride-groom, and as such would not be recited at a Brit.

no sources in the doc though.

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EretzChemda.Org quoting B'mareh Habezek 7 says a Sheva Brachos and Bris may be combined. In the notes he mentions Yechave Da'as 1:90 and B'Tzeil Hachochmo 1:68.

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  • I'm not sure how this answers the question. If they show up at a bris, does that count?
    – Double AA ♦
    Dec 10, 2017 at 17:32
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I'm not a rabbi...

My assumption is that the sheva brachot (well, six) should not be recited, because the s'udat mitzvah is not in honor of the chatan and kallah; rather, it is for the mitzvah of milah.

A more interesting question, IMHO, would be, if the parents of the baby boy finally got married after he was born, should they say sheva brachot at the brit. Not a very common occurrence.

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  • Re "not in honor of": I seem to recall (no source now) that as long as something was added to the meal for the new couple, the b'rachos are said.
    – msh210 ♦
    Jul 21, 2011 at 15:32
  • Only if they get married that day, as they would only have one day of Beracha at most.
    – MDjava
    Dec 8, 2017 at 0:28

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