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The Oruch HaShulchan O. Ch. 132 (1) points out that Chazal did not institute to say “kedusha” at Maariv. Indeed we do not say “kedusha” at Maariv; but on Motzoei Shabbos we do say ואתה קדוש וכ׳ in what is called the “Kedusha Desidra”. (It is also said any time there is a post-Shmoneh-Esrei Nakh study (Tehillim 91, Esther, and Eikha are the three currently practiced examples for Maariv; at other prayers it's Tehillim 145/20)).

Normally in the “Kedusha Desidra”, the verses of the kedusha in Hebrew (e.g. קדוש קדוש קדוש ה׳ צבא.ות וכ׳) are said aloud.

I am informed that there is a (yekkische) minhag not to say them aloud on Motzoei Shabbos. Is the fact that normally Chazal did not institute to say “kedusha” at Maariv the source of this minhag?

  • It's not just Motzaei Shabbat. It's any time there is a post-Shmoneh-Esrei Nakh study (Tehillim 91, Esther, and Eikha are the three currently practiced examples for Maariv; at other prayers it's Tehillim 145/20). That's why it's called diSidra. – Double AA Mar 6 '18 at 16:12
  • @DoubleAA but it's sometimes after pre-Shemoneh-Esrei Nakh study (musaf on Chol Hamoed and Rosh Chodesh, mincha on Shabbos and Yom Tov, neilah on Y"K). You can articulate the musaf and neilah cases as after shacharis/mincha, but as far as I know there was never a custom to daven mincha immediately after musaf on Shabbos and Yom Tov. – Heshy Mar 6 '18 at 16:33
  • @DoubleAA Thank you. I have incorporated your comment into the question. The minhag was reported as applying on Motzoei Shabbos. It would be interesting if it has been observed on the other occasions. – Avrohom Yitzchok Mar 6 '18 at 16:35
  • @Heshy Yes indeed. That was imprecise of me. I was thinking of only Shacharit and Maariv. (Shabbat Mincha was prayed following the afternoon Drasha. That's the important point here: where they did the study. For Shacharit and Maariv it's after the Amida.) – Double AA Mar 6 '18 at 16:38
  • @DoubleAA "Shabbat Mincha was prayed following the afternoon Drasha" and Yom Tov too? (It's completely reasonable to have one, I've just never heard of a Yom Tov afternoon drasha as a fixed practice.) – Heshy Mar 6 '18 at 16:43
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The “Tefiloh Sefas Yisroel” is a nusaḥ Ashkenaz siddur dedicated to the memory of the Bad Homburg Jewish community. Minhogim are incorporated into the rubrics. For Motzoei Shabbos the text reads:

בעל תפלה [בקול] וקהל [בלחש] תהלים כב:ד

 וְאַתָּ֥ה קָד֑וֹשׁ י֝וֹשֵׁ֗ב תְּהִלּ֥וֹת יִשְׂרָאֵֽל:

ישעיה ו:ג

וְקָרָ֨א זֶ֤ה אֶל־זֶה֙ וְאָמַ֔ר

בעל תפלה וקהל

קָד֧וֹשׁ ׀ קָד֛וֹשׁ קָד֖וֹשׁ יְיָ֣ צְבָא֑וֹת מְלֹ֥א כָל־הָאָ֖רֶץ כְּבוֹדֽוֹ:

בעל תפלה [בקול] וקהל [בלחש]

וּמְקַבְּלִין דֵּין מִן־דֵּין וְאָמְרִין:

which seems to indicate that the Chazzan and the Kohol say the verses of Kedushoh at the same volume. The text of the rubric here is the same as for Shacharis. Therefore it is most likely the verses of Kedushoh were not said quietly (בלחש).

So to say the pesukim quietly on Motzoei Shabbos was not the the minhag in Bad Homburg.

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