Why is the kaddish titkabel after shacharit on a regular weekday (or indeed any day without musaf e.g. Chanukah), deferred until after (keriat hatorah) ashrei and uva letzion?

One may have expected it to always come after chazarat hashatz (or tachanun or hallel where relevant) as that would seem to be the conclusion of the core shacharit service. This is indeed what we do on Shabbat, Yom Tov, Chol HaMoed and Rosh Chodesh, where it is consistently recited before keriat hatorah.

Does its recitation after uva letzion on a weekday imply that (keriat hatorah) ashrei and uva letzion are viewed as part of the shacharit service?

Conversely, does its location on musaf days imply that keriat hatorah and ashrei (and uva letzion) are not part of shacharit on those days (and maybe even become part of the musaf service)?

(Partly inspired by discussion on this question.)

  • The location before Torah reading is the more intuitive one since the Amida is now over. You could read the Torah anytime during the day if you needed to. The other side of this question seems stronger: why when there is no Musaf do we push off Titkabbel till after things that are only tangentially related to Shacharit? – Double AA Dec 19 '17 at 13:14
  • @DoubleAA Right. I have a vague recollection (but cannot track down a source) that we want to apply תתקבל צלותהון ובעותהון to the various requests we make during ובא לציון. – Joel K Dec 19 '17 at 13:22
  • There are a number of answers given in rishonim, but that is the way they ask the question. (Italian Rishonim say we push it off so people don't leave Shul early; Rambam says we use it to signal the actual end of the service. I don't think you can conclude that the Torah reading is "part" of anything just based on the Kaddish location.) – Double AA Dec 19 '17 at 13:24
  • Why do some shuls (ashkenazim) say ashei after putting back the sefer torah whereas sefardim before? – patient Dec 19 '17 at 17:17
  • I think beureihatefilah.com explains this. But, it will probably take compiling info from several articles on their web site to compose an answer. I'll try what I can, but it may take a while. There is something specific about how Kaddish Titkabel is unique to the end of a "portion" of tefilla. But, you do ask an interesting curiosity as to what is happening on Shabbat / Yom Tov that is different from Mon. / Thurs. I don't think it's tiedto Torah reading, though; It's something else. – DanF Dec 19 '17 at 17:29

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