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Why does a Tallit-gadol and a Tallit-katan have Tzitziyot?

Where is there a discussion that a Tallit-gadol and/or Tallit-katan must have Tzitzis or Tzitziyot?

I understand Torah says to put Tzitziyot on the corner of one's garments, but Tallit-gadol and Tallit-katan did not exist back then (or did they?).

  • The Torah says to put tzitzis on four corners of a garment. If a garment has (at least) four corners, it’s obligated, regardless of if it existed back then. I’m not sure what the problem is. – DonielF Nov 15 '17 at 16:31
  • you don't think clothing existed when the torah was given to us? – Laser123 Nov 16 '17 at 0:06
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I think your questions reverses things. We wear a tallit because we want the mitzva of tzitzit. Therefore we look for a garment which is obligated in the mitzva, i.e., has four corners (MT Hilchot Tzitzit 3:1)

The reason we want the mitzva of tzitzit is that it is an important mitzva. In the words of the Rambam (Hilchot Tzitzit 3:12)

since the Torah estimates it as so weighty that all the commandments are made dependent upon it, as it is said, "And ye shall look upon it and remember all the commandments of the Lord" (Numbers 15:39)

Our ancestors wore garments that had four corners anyway (think of poncho-like garments or capes), therefore didn’t have the need for a tallit Wikipedia explains

Though in biblical times the tzitzit were attached to such everyday garments, both the present tallit gadol and tallit katan developed subsequently to address the fact that Jews no longer wore four-cornered garments, and were in danger therefore of losing this mitzvah. [...]

In the book The Ancient Jewish Shroud At Turin by John N. Lupia [he] shows the historical development of the tallit when its design began to change during the second half of the first century CE and began to take on the forms known today beginning around 1000 CE. The long tradition of a single orthodox form of the tallit became modified in a more culturally diverse atmosphere and continued to change throughout time until it became permuted and shortened in length as the kitel, tallit katan, tallit gadol, and the more common tallit prayer shawl form know today.

  • you wrote "We wear a tallit because we want the mitzva of tzitzit." Agreed, but then why invent tallitot when (as you pointed out) "Our ancestors wore garments that had four corners anyway"? Why not put tzitzit on those four-cornered garments? – ninamag Nov 15 '17 at 8:56
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    That is exactly what the first two lines of Wikipedia say. Tallitot replaced four-cornered garments when those stopped being fashionable – mbloch Nov 15 '17 at 8:57
  • being fashionable is different from existing. (ironically, a tallit certainly was not fashionable at the first time it was introduced.) four cornered garments, whether fashionable or not, existed, from time immemorial; why, therefore, not put tzitzit on those four-cornered (fashionable or not) garments? – ninamag Nov 15 '17 at 9:01
  • Not sure what is not clear. At some point, the day to day garments people wore didn’t have four corners anymore. Not wanting to lose the mitzva of tzitzit Jews therefore started wearing four-cornered garments under their other garments and for prayer – mbloch Nov 15 '17 at 9:03
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    @nima you are more than welcome to go buy one of those garments, attach Tzitzit to it, and wear it all the time. I don't know what's confusing. Any style four cornered garment is obligated. You can choose to wear whichever you want. Most people happen to choose a Tallit. – Double AA Nov 15 '17 at 13:13

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