A deli roll is a puff pastry dough rubbed with mustard and filled with assorted deli meats (usually pastrami and turkey.)

Is this considered pas haba bekisnin? (one definition of this term is:

רבנו חננאל, מסכת ברכות דף מב. ואמר כיון שהזכיר רב ששת פת הבא בכיסנין, פירש זו הפת העשויה כמין כיסין מלאים סוכר ושקדים ואגוזים וכיוצא בהן… Rabbenu Hanan’el, Commentary to Masekhet Berakhot 42a And it says that when Rav Sheshet mentions pat haba bekisnin, he explains this as bread that is made like a type of pocket that is filled with sugar, almonds, walnuts, etc…

The above definition sounds like a pastry or "turnover". However, it defines filling with sweet items or nuts.

I'm not sure if this definition would be applied to a deli roll which seems to be shaped similarly (i.e., it is a "filled" dough.)

There is also a generally accepted rule among most current poskim stating that regardless of the shape / form, if the food is normally eaten as a meal and not a snack, one would have to wash and say "hamotzi", anyway. I'm not sure what the status of a deli roll is.


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I think that this answer from dinonline (excerpts) covers all the angles of the multiple definitions of pat haba bekisnin as it applies to deli roll:

Poskim dispute whether or not a meat filling renders a food pas haba bekisnin. However, I understand that the deli roll is usually eaten as an appetizer, or snack. Assuming this is the case, all would concur that it has the status of pas haba bekisnin. It is true that the principle of filled pastry applies first and foremost to sweet fillings. According to Taz (168:6), it applies even to fillings of meat, whereas Magen Avraham (168:16) writes that a meat filling would not change the berachah from hamotzi to mezonos–which is the opinion quoted by Mishnah Berurah (168:94). However, Chayei Adam (54:5) rules that bedieved one can rely on the Taz, and recite mezonos on a meat-filled pastry. This would be difficult to rely on, in view of the Magen Avraham and Mishnah Berurah (and Shulchan Aruch Harav). But, to my knowledge, the case of the deli roll is somewhat different, because it is classically served as a snack/appetizer, and not as a main course or a meal. Assuming this to be true, all would agree that its filling renders it pas haba bekisnin, just as in the case of sweet fillings. In addition, some maintain that puff pastry is considered thin/crispy and qualifies to be pas haba bekisnin (this is the opinion of Yalkut Yosef), though not all agree to this. If the pastry is kneaded with a maojrity part of fat/margarine (minus the water content) it would also be sufficient to consider it pas haba bekisnin.

Supplemental Note (Nissan 24, 5779): I infer from the above analysis, that a knish (any kind) would also be considered pat haba bekisnin.

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