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Inspired by this answer and the comments following.

If the first day of Yom Tov (not Rosh Hashana) is Shabbos, an Israeli will make a normal havdalah המבדיל בין קדש לחול, while someone from outside Israel will make havdalah during kiddush המבדיל בין קדש לקדש.

Can either of them be yotzei by listening to the other? Or do they still have to make their own correct havdalah?

I'm interested in both the lechatchila and bedieved answers.

  • The relevant case in Poskim is almost exclusively an Israeli listening to a Diasporan, because a Diasporan listening to an Israeli would still need another cup for his Kiddush so why bother? – Double AA Oct 4 '17 at 13:06
  • It's also interesting to consider the case of Shabbat Second Day Yom Tov (eg. Shavuot). While the blessings are the same in that case, the obligations are distinct since the Israeli is only saying Havdala for Shabbat. – Double AA Oct 4 '17 at 13:11
  • @DoubleAA well yes, but maybe the Diasporan (great word!) already made kiddush and forgot havdalah and would have needed another cup anyway. – Heshy Oct 4 '17 at 13:11
  • @DoubleAA ooh didn't even think of that! Yes that's a good one. – Heshy Oct 4 '17 at 13:11
  • Looks like a dupe of judaism.stackexchange.com/q/56493/5275. I can't vote though, as that question has no upvotes, yet. – DanF Oct 4 '17 at 14:25

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