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I recently passed a keilim mikva which is located in a highly congested area.There is no charge to use the mikvah. Right above the mikva there was a big sign that said " you do not have permission to use this mikvah if you double park".

My question is if one did double park and used the mikvah anyways is it a good tevila,since it might be considered stealing,and in a case someone who didn't see the sign until after they already used it do they have to reimburse the owner of the mikvah since it was used without permission?

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    +1 cute. Although mitzvah habaah b'aveira seemingly would not apply so the dipping would help . I'd wonder more about the bracha al tevilas keilim. Maybe stick that in? Also the mikva is not omed lischor so there would be no price to pay bidieved. – user6591 Oct 3 '17 at 17:39
  • Why do you think stealing would affect the efficacy of tevila? – mevaqesh Oct 3 '17 at 17:39
  • Kofin al midas Sedom? Does the owner of the mikvah actually lose anything if you use the mikvah without permission? – DonielF Oct 3 '17 at 18:12
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    @mevaqesh - Stealing often changes the halachic status of otherwise completely kosher things. In the light of this season, a stolen esrog or sukkah, even if they are kosher, immediately become not-kosher for the thief. – ezra Oct 3 '17 at 19:06
  • @ezra editing in what one knows about that would greatly improve the question. As of now, it shows no research. – mevaqesh Oct 3 '17 at 19:32
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Tevilis keilim the mitzvah is the result not the action- cf tosfos end of nidah- Reb elchanos says in k"h that the concept of mitzvah Habah baveira doesn't apply to a mitzvah which is the result so would be kosher .

  • Thanks for the answer. Consider clarifying where rabbi elhanan says this. – mevaqesh Dec 6 '17 at 19:39
  • First, welcome to Mi Yodea. Because readers may or may not have yeshiva backgrounds -- you might want to expand your answers by explaining the practical application and meaning. Less Yeshivish, more English. – Bruce James Dec 6 '17 at 21:03
  • My apologies- thank you- there are different type of commandments in the Torah- some commandments the Torah wants a specific action e.g shake the myrtle, keep Saturday etc, other commandments the Torah wants a specific result for example tevila..- Mitzvos in the second category tosfos in nida 57 says that there is not a better and worse way to do then because the Torah only cares about the result not the action- reb elchanon in kovetz haoros says that in the second catagory as well there would be no din of mh"b because the result was done .... – user16291 Dec 6 '17 at 21:28
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