If a person has the opportunity of davening netz, but doing so would require putting off the recitation of selichos (since it's nearly netz), does the fulfillment of davening in the optimal way supersede the usual order of reciting selichos before morning prayers?

Might we say that davening netz is a "zmano oveir" vs. the recitation of selichos before shacharis, which (already being post-alos) may be said bedi'eved through the rest of the day?

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  • Can you clarify regarding Minyan: Is either way he will pray with a Minyan? Are the Selichot with a Minyan?
    – Double AA
    Sep 27, 2017 at 18:16
  • @DoubleAA In this case I was assuming selichos and davening would be identical - either a minyan for both or neither. Given that, is there a substantive difference between those circumstances that warrants restricting the question? Sep 27, 2017 at 18:19
  • Davening Netz has priority over davening with a Minyan. And Selichot. No time for sources now. Sep 28, 2017 at 14:35
  • @DannySchoemann So you're saying that Netz has priority over Selichos, and that if one must choose between them choose Netz? Sep 28, 2017 at 14:48
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    @IsaacKotlicky - ateret4u.com/online/f_01790.html - יז. סדר החשיבות: א. תפילה בנץ. ב. תיקון חצות. ג. אמירת סליחות, כשמתפלל בנץ וקשה להשכים עוד עבור סליחות יאמרו סליחות אחרי שחרית או אחה"צ. (No idea who this is written by and what his source are.) Sep 28, 2017 at 15:07

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Rav Chaim Kanivesky (Daas Noteh 1:page 192:10) was asked this question. He answered "with certainty davening vasikin(source in gemara) is more important than selichos(just a minhag),but the main mitzvah of selichos is b'ashmoros haboker"

  • +1 I wonder what Reb Moshe would say considering he believes we can't really figure out when Netz is.
    – user6591
    Dec 31, 2019 at 3:04

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