My friend and I were complaining last night about how long davening would be this morning, 17 Tamuz. Since it's a fast day, there are slichos and leining and a lot of stuff (it actually wasn't all that bad, really). After I mentioned there were slichos, my friend said 'yeah, and Avinu Malkeinu.' I'm pretty sure that Avinu Malkeinu always comes together with slichos, and told him that.
Am I right? Do we ever say slichos without saying Avinu Malkeinu?
I know that nusach sfard says Avinu Malkeinu daily, but I'm talking about nusach ashkenaz.