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Where can I find a Sephardi siddur with none of the Arizal's influences - essentially, a Pre-Ari Sephardi Siddur?

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I would look for a British or Dutch Sephardi siddur. After Sabbatai Sbi, the S&P community actively removed all Lurianic and Zoharic emendations to their nusach (source: R' Jonathan Cohen of the London S&P minhagim site)

  • I thought S&P stood for Spanish and Portuguese, not Sbritish and Pdutch. – msh210 Jun 13 '17 at 19:47
  • @msh210, Hahah. – Noach MiFrankfurt Jun 14 '17 at 1:48
  • No, seriously: if the S&P community is what we're looking for, why look for British and Dutch? Is that where all the S&P folks went ca. 1500? – msh210 Jun 14 '17 at 4:38
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    @msh210, a sizeable enough portion settled in Amsterdam that it became the centre of the S&P community. For some reason, the Sephardim in Bordeaux (who spoke Spanish, not French) and in Italy don't seem to be as well-recognised in what I've read. Further, Amsterdam's K"K Talmud Torah is considered the "cathedral" schul for the S&P communities in London, the US, Caribbean, and Israel. – Noach MiFrankfurt Jun 14 '17 at 4:43
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    @NoachMiFrankfurt - Oy. Sorry for you. GOOD FOR ME! It's strange that they called it "Sepharad" instead of a "Sefard"... Sepharad makes me think of Spain. – ezra Oct 20 '17 at 19:05
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You could start with the Rambam's סדר תפילות כל השנה found at the end of משנה תורה - ספר אהבה.

The Rambam predates the Arizal by over 300 years.

  • This isn't really sefardi Nusach as much as yemenite – Double AA Jun 12 '17 at 14:31
  • @DoubleAA - was there a difference before the Arizal? – Danny Schoemann Jun 12 '17 at 14:58
  • Of course! They were thousands of miles apart! – Double AA Jun 12 '17 at 15:00
  • @DoubleAA When Rambam wrote his Mishneh Torah he was head of the Egyptian community. I doubt he wrote the order of prayers for the Yemenites over the Egyptians. – Aaron Jun 12 '17 at 22:22
  • @aaron that's​ debatable, but anyway it'd just show that the Egyptian rite was more similar to the yemenite rite than the Spanish rite. There used to be more variation than just Ashkenaz and sefardic rites. – Double AA Jun 12 '17 at 22:29

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