The Pri Chadash 115:6 writes that one can drink milk that was not watched by a Yisroel in an instance where there are no non-kosher animals, or if the non-kosher milk would be more expensive.

He writes towards the end that this is the minhag of Amsterdam.


הכלל העולה דבעיר שלא נמצא שם חלב טמא או שהיא יותר ביוקר מחלב טהור מותר לקנות מהעכו"ם חלב שחלבו בלא ראיית ישראל כלל וכן מצאתי המנהג פשוט פה אמסטרדם וכן נהגתי אני...‏

Is this recorded minhag of Amsterdam, is it still a minhag there or have the circumstances changed there?

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    I believe in the Sdei Chemed, he quotes this Pri Chadash, and also mentions that this was not only the Minhag of Amsterdam, but also of Jews inArabic countries (as Muslims find pigs reprehensible) May 24, 2017 at 6:19
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    @ShoelU'Meishiv I thought the issue was Camel milk, not pig milk (which is green anyways). May 24, 2017 at 6:22
  • @ShmuelBrin I don't have it with me, but from what I remember the issue was pig milk, thus he states explicitly that in Arab countries it would be muttar May 24, 2017 at 6:35

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Rav Yochanan of Holleschau claims (recorded here, p. 30) that this was not the Minhag in Amsterdam, even at the time of the Peri Chadash.

See also here (p. 32) where Rav Yitzchak Yosef quotes Sedei Chemed saying that the Minhag in Amsterdam is to prohibit unsupervised milk.

See this website about milk products in Amsterdam now.

It starts with a statement:

If there is no milk under rabbinical supervision available, then you are forced to buy products without supervision.
All products in this section that contain E-120, cochineal, or carmine dye (carmine, karmic acid) are not allowed.

It then has a long list of products that are allowed and those that are non-kosher.

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