Every time I've read the name of Rabbi Shimon the son of Yochai in the Gemara, it says Rabbi Shimon BEN Yochai. But, whenever I hear someone talking about him, they say BAR Yochai. Why is that?

  • Ben Lakish and בר לקישא
    – kouty
    Oct 30 '16 at 16:30
  • What about "Shimon son of Yochai"?
    – Double AA
    Oct 30 '16 at 18:00
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    "Bar" is Aramaic and "Ben" is Hebrew.
    – ezra
    Oct 30 '16 at 20:51
  • this should be reopened as its specifically talking about ban yohai. in all of the gamaro rashbi is never once mentioned bar yohai when being quoted as halokho. only once during common speech in shabboth 33b "lavar yohai". he was a tanno and from israel he would never be called bar yohai and this is evident from the amount of times a law is quoted in his name or his name ever brought up ever in the talmudh. May 14 '17 at 20:10
  • no one prior to the 13th century quoted rashbi as bar yohai. not in boroithoth, either 2 of the talmudhim, mishnayyoth, tosaftoth. only after the zohar came out was he named bar yohai May 14 '17 at 20:11