Someone told me that one is not allowed to drink plain water during the third meal of Shabbos (Seudah Shelishit). (or at least that there is a minhag not to).

Is this true? And if so, what is the source of the minhag?

  • 2
    Your title says "Shalosh Seudos", meaning "Three Meals", yet your question applies only to "the third meal of Shabbos". Shouldn't the title say "Seuda Shlishit"? – JohnoBoy May 15 '11 at 5:24
  • 4
    @JohnoBoy the third meal is commonly called "shalosh s'udos". If you want to know why, the "Ask Question" link is right up there---^ :-) – msh210 May 15 '11 at 13:16
  • @JohnoBoy You are correct. I was referring to its colloquial use, like msh210 pointed out. However, I will now change it... – yydl May 15 '11 at 18:08
  • 4
    @JohnoBoy Actually, to remain consistent with the rest of the site (judaism.stackexchange.com/search?q=shalosh) I will keep that in the title and add clarity in the body of the question... – yydl May 15 '11 at 18:10
  • 1
    @msh210 Didn't know that, thanks :) @Tzvi Actaully, I wasn't yanking your chain, it was an honest question – JohnoBoy May 19 '11 at 11:40

There is such a minhag, but the language of the Rema in 291:2 is:

Some say that it is forbidden to drink water between mincha and maariv on shabbos because that is when the souls return to purgatory (reasoning needed?). Therefore, one should not eat seudah shlishis between mincha and maariv, rather he should eat it before mincha.

Yet some say it is better to daven mincha first, and such is the custom in all of these provinces. But one should not drink water from the rivers (reasoning needed?), but in the house it is permitted, and certainly other drinks are permitted.

Some say that it is only forbidden within the 12 months [following the death] of one's father or mother.

And some say that the restriction of drinking water is only on erev shabbos (reasoning needed?)

We see two things from the Rema:

  • The concern is not during "shalosh seudos", but between mincha and maariv time
  • The Rema is all for having water during shalosh seudos even during this time. The issue he contends with is the trade off between eating the meal + drinking water during this time and eating a meal + drinking the water before davening.

The Aruch haShulchan reads the Rema as 2 opinions: Eat before mincha and eat after mincha. The rest of the Rema is supporting opinions for eating/drinking after mincha- it's only from rivers, it's only water, some say it's only for an avel, some say it's only on Friday eve.

  • A citation of the Rama (where it is) would be nice. – msh210 May 15 '11 at 3:54
  • Sorry, my bad.. – YDK May 15 '11 at 5:26

Some say you should only follow this custom for 11 months after the loved one's death, similar to how someone says kaddish for a relative for 11 months, lest you imply they were the worst type of person and need the 12 months in gehenna before entering olam haba.

  • 1
    When you will have accumulated enough reputation points (which will be easier if you register on the site!), you will be able to add comments. I suggest you do register, and then post your question as a separate question by clicking the "Ask Question" link atop any page. You can help make this site even more awesome. As far as this particular comment/answer (about eleven months), it's really suitable as an answer (though partial and referencing another), so I think it's okay here. – msh210 Jul 1 '11 at 18:32
  • 2
    The seltzer question is quite fascinating. Can you ask it, please – yydl Jul 1 '11 at 18:57
  • @msh210 According to the faq, all you need is 1 rep to leave a comment. Is it incorrect? – yydl Jul 1 '11 at 19:32
  • @yydl, more likely I am, though you never know. – msh210 Jul 1 '11 at 19:36
  • @yydl It may be that you have to register to get this ability. – Isaac Moses Jul 1 '11 at 21:21

You must log in to answer this question.

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged .