We know that before the chet (sin) of the eating of the forbidden fruit, mankind would not physically expire and die. (Death was the punishment given for the sin - B'reishis 3:19, Shabbos 55, Ramban 2:17). What about other death? Examples would include murder (let's assume unintentional) by metal, fire, ice, or falling from great heights, or drowning. I would surmise that a person would have been able to die in such forms. But does anyone have any source for this? (Either to support or reject.) All sources I'm aware of speak of "misa" - "death" in general. I don't know if they'd include a broader definition of these forms of death.

(Let me just preempt - if you're thinking of B'rachos 33a with R' Chanina ben Dosa, I don't think it's really a raya - see Rashi, really based on Yerushalmi.)

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    Do you mean to ask specifically whether someone could've become a murder victim? Because it seems you can generalize this to any unnatural form of death (drowning, falling off a cliff, etc.). – Fred Jul 27 '16 at 2:07
  • Before the chait people would have not fallen prey to the sin of murder. – sabbahillel Jul 27 '16 at 2:34
  • I've heard that before the advent of Da'at, man couldn't conceive of a possibility of choice beyond the givens of what the garden consisted of. True free will consists of total license to conceive of new realities, and so prior to the sin Man was unable to imagine a possibility beyond the given set, which would preclude murder. – Chaim Jul 27 '16 at 2:48
  • I've edited my question according to your comments, thank you! – Talmid Jul 28 '16 at 22:45
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    Rashi's understanding of the story of Kayin and Hevel is that they were born before the cheit and implies that they did NOT eat of the fruit - it says Adam and Chava made all the animals eat, not their children (who were around according to Rashi). Kayin was exiled FROM EDEN as a result of killing Hevel, so according to Rashi, it would seem that man was "mortal" in that he could be killed, but biologically would have lived forever absent the sin of eating from the tree. I've got a lot more about this understanding of Bereishis, but it's not relevant for answering this question... – Isaac Kotlicky Aug 2 '16 at 17:33

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