So I have a general question:

If you are a religious Jew and you are in a non religious Jew's home on Sabbath and you mention that it is really hot and you would love to have an AC on and then you see your non religious friend reaching for the remote to turn on the AC. Should you do it instead of him? After all if not you technically caused a "גרמא בשבת" which was your fault and so the "chilul Sabbath" is on both of you. You for causing him to do it, him for doing it.

What is the ideal way to deal with such a situation?

  • Why not just ask him not to turn it on? – Double AA Jun 21 '16 at 17:42
  • @DoubleAA Asking him to turn it off can result in him doing it on purpose just to prove something because he knows deep down I want it but at the same time I am obeying the shabbis halachot. – Bubble Hacker Jun 21 '16 at 17:43
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    Is that worse? You can't control him. Just be clear and consistent about what you want. If he sins it's not your fault. – Double AA Jun 21 '16 at 17:44
  • Well it still is because it a grama I caused. Especially since I knew that me telling him would just make him want to do it more. – Bubble Hacker Jun 21 '16 at 17:47
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    @DoubleAA Can you explain what I said that doesn't match the rules of grama? – Bubble Hacker Jun 21 '16 at 19:07

So I have found a simple answer:

There is a concept in halacha that "אין שליחות לדבר עבירה" because everyone is responsible to keep mitzvoth in their own right. Therefore if someone acts on his own you are not responsible. If however that person is not knowledgeable and is not familiar with halacha you could be over on "lifnei iver lo titain michshol" which is not the situation.

And so in light of what I mentioned above, The religious Jew has a responsibility to tell the non religious Jew to not mechalel shabbat and if he did, it is 100% his fault because he has to keep mitzvot and he is aware of what he is doing.

Thank you all for your responses and answers! =]

  • Please source your answer. It confirms one of my comments, above, with just further explanation that is unsourced, for the moment. And, since you mentioned a Grama aspect (I'm not commenting on the discussion between you and DoubleAA, as I still don't understand "gramma" even after the discussion), if, in light of your own answer, that aspect doesn't apply at all, I suggest that you delete it from your original question. – DanF Jun 22 '16 at 14:04
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    An important caveat: if you know he will mechalel shabbat regardless you have made a rebel out of him with the explicit warning. At first he could be regarded as a tinok shenashba. If you tell hem while you know he will disregard it, his status is that of a rebel – RonP Jun 23 '16 at 11:56
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    Better he should be shogeg than mezid --not always good to warn him. – andrewmh20 Aug 21 '16 at 12:57
  • @RonP but how can you know? Wouldn't it be better to warn him? His being a rebel is once again not your fault. – Izzy Sep 21 '16 at 2:12

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