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If one only has a limited income and has a choice between Oneg Shabbos or Wine for Havadlah which goes first?

  • A cup of grape juice for Havdala costs about $.30 nowadays. What kind of case is this? – Double AA May 8 '16 at 18:46
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    Where it isn't 30 cents...(: – Avi M May 8 '16 at 19:07
  • A dollar? Whose Oneg Shabbos is dependent on that sum of money? – Double AA May 8 '16 at 19:16
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    @DoubleAA Many poor people! Learn some Gemorah! – Avi M May 8 '16 at 19:19
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    You can just admit this is basically a hypothetical question... – Double AA May 8 '16 at 19:37
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The Gemara Pesachim 113a says

אמר רבי יוחנן שלשה מנוחלי העוה"ב אלו הן הדר בא"י והמגדל בניו לתלמוד תורה והמבדיל על היין במוצאי שבתות מאי היא דמשייר מקידושא לאבדלתא

And the Rashbam writes:

דמשייר מקידושא. שיש לו מעט יין ומונע שתייתו בשביל הבדלה

Rabbi Yochanan said that if saves what little wine he has for Havdalah, he inherits the world-to-come.

Obviously, Havdala overrides Oneg Shabbos

  • I'm not sure I follow the Kal VaChomer. Do you know what the reward is for having Oneg Shabbos? Is comparing Aggadic statements of reward a valid means for a Halakhic Kal VaChomer? – Double AA May 8 '16 at 21:57
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    @DoubleAA I don't see a kal vachomer. Rashbam or whoever that second quotation is from (dunno who and the answer should indicate) says that the person is minimizing Shabas drinking to havdel al hakos, precisely the case asked about in our question, and indicates that such a person is rewarded, which thus answers our question. – msh210 May 9 '16 at 2:43

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