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Over the Shabbos meal we discussed the idea of sending "Halachikly Complicated" Mishloach Manos. "Halachikly Complicated" meaning foods that cannot be eaten because we have a safek what their bracha is, and therefore cannot be eaten (except for during a meal in which you made hamotzie OR making a bracha on a number of other foods that you otherwise would not eat)

What are examples of such foods?

  • It would be good if you could justify in the question that such a rule exists: that one can't eat something "we" don't know the b'racha for. I'd think that (although one can't eat something he doesn't know the b'racha for) if there's something "we" don't know the b'racha for then one can eat it with a b'racha encompassing both possibilities in terms of generality. – msh210 Mar 6 '16 at 15:49
  • @mbloch Some people like making "themed" mishloach manos (breakfast, green, us mail, ect....) It would be a "theme" mishloach manos, no different from other themes, but enjoyable for those who like "cute halacha ideas" – SamuelManuel Mar 6 '16 at 17:21
  • @msh210 "uneatable" is retorical, though it is probably the wrong word. I'll change it to "Halachikly Complicated". – SamuelManuel Mar 6 '16 at 17:24
  • @msh210 Too broad? – Double AA Mar 6 '16 at 18:12
  • meta.judaism.stackexchange.com/q/959 cc @DoubleAA – msh210 Mar 6 '16 at 19:05
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I understand the concept now. A few ideas

  • soufganyot - there is a doubt whether they are mezonot or hamotzi. Because it is fried challah-dough, there is a machloket whether the frying removes the hamotzi. Some are machmir not to eat without hamotzi

  • chocolate-covered raisins or nuts - until you open/eat one, you don't know what bracha - and even then it depends if you like the chocolate or raisin more

  • chocolate - R Shlomo Zalman Auerbach held it is haeitz although most/all say sheakol

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    Similarly Orange Juice, Chazon Ish felt was ha'eitz. – Shalom Mar 7 '16 at 1:43
  • if raisin or nut is covered in chocolate then there is no safek the bracha would be shehakol. Similarly, a apple pie would be mezonos and not haeitz because the surrounding material is mezonos. – Dude Mar 18 '16 at 5:38
  • @Dude no what I wrote is correct. A chocolate covered nut is haeitz if you prefer the nut, sheakol if you prefer the chocolate. Mezonot is different as it takes priority in most cases, see eg halachipedia.com/documents/5772/10.pdf – mbloch Mar 18 '16 at 6:00
  • @mbloch Even if you prefer the chocolate it might be haeitz judaism.stackexchange.com/a/59669/759 – Double AA Mar 20 '16 at 18:21
  • @DoubleAA yes this is my third point in the answer above - on this I heard a cute story. Apparently when a grandkid asked him what bracha to say on a chocolate he just got, RSZA answered "ask your grandmother" because even he wasn't sure it was really l'maase – mbloch Mar 20 '16 at 18:24
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Granola - the oats are a safek mezonos/haadama Rice

Puffed Wheat - there is a shita that holds that since wheat is one of the & species, one would have to make a "Al Hoadama" Afterbracha (similar to Al HaPeiros made on grapes, figs, dates, olives, pomegranete). Since in practice we dont make this bracha at all, such a food would be "unedible" except for during a meal of bread.

  • So too on, eg. meat, there is a Machloket if Borei Nefashot ends with a Chatima BeShem or not, so meat and cheese and juice should only be eaten in a bread meal. – Double AA Mar 6 '16 at 21:57
  • @DoubleAA There are people who do not eat wheat outside of a meal because of this machlokes, whereas Borei nefashos seems to have an established psak. – SamuelManuel Mar 7 '16 at 12:48
  • Established? I know people alive today who say a Chatima BeShem and some who don't. Why is that any different from the other examples? – Double AA Mar 7 '16 at 13:51

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