According to this article reciting parashat hatamid is considered a chiuv deoraita (biblical obligation) at least by Rabbeinu Yonah ( more than can be said about most other parts of davening). Yet in my experience, most nusach Ashkenaz synagogues outside of Israel completely skip that section. They begin with birkot hashachar, continue with le'olam yhei adam and shma', and then after the berakha of mikadeish et shimcha barabim they skip a bunch of pages straight to Rabbi Yishmael omer.

What is the reason that many shuls skip over this section and how do they justify skipping a section that (at least according to one opinion) is more important than most of the other parts of davening that they actually do say?

The reason I am focusing on nusach Ashkenaz synagogues outside of Israel is because in my experience Sephardi synagogues do say the korbanot and in Israel most Ashkenazi synagogues start with Rabbi Yishmael omer (presumably people say korbanot before getting to shul). My question is not meant to be limited to Ashkenaz shuls in chu"l.

  • Are you sure they aren't saying just the Tamid before RY? That's what I do when I'm Chazzan in a place that "doesn't say korbanot"
    – Double AA
    Feb 18, 2016 at 1:04
  • @DoubleAA I am sure that at least some don't say the tamid. They say the berakha and then say Rabbi Yishmael out loud immediately. Maybe that's the wrong thing to do, but I believe it's widely done.
    – Daniel
    Feb 18, 2016 at 1:06
  • Reason that I've commonly heard - "It takes too much time; people have to get to work." (One or two had the "nerve" to call it "tircha detzibbur"!) I'm not saying this is a good reason. Sounds more like a poor excuse to me.
    – DanF
    Feb 18, 2016 at 3:31
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    @DanF Those only apply to the "rest" of Korbanot. The Tamid is more important than most of Pesukei Dizimra for sure.
    – Double AA
    Feb 18, 2016 at 3:37
  • I noticed this when I went to the USA. In the UK we don't normally skip them and some say the incense passages too (we don't). But ArtScroll is an American siddur and contains all these sections so it is likely they are said at least in parts of the USA. More korbanot is helpful for latecomers too.
    – CashCow
    Feb 18, 2016 at 15:17

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In one synagogue that "doesn't say korbanos", the rabbi explained to me that he recites the entire korbanos until "Ezehu m'koman" before arriving in the synagogue and the rest in the synagogue, and that he encourages everyone to do the same. [But I guess he only encourages it if someone brings it up, since I'd never heard him do so until I asked.] (He said the same about mincha's korbanos.)

  • So what does the person who is leading the beginning part do? Or do people only say to themselves the parts that aren't said out loud in shul?
    – Daniel
    Feb 18, 2016 at 14:05
  • In that synagogue (as in most Ashk'nazi ones in my experience), korbanos aren't said aloud by the leader, @Daniel.
    – msh210
    Feb 18, 2016 at 15:14
  • My question was about the other stuff that is said aloud. Does the congregation say birkos hashachar at home too, or just korbanos?
    – Daniel
    Feb 18, 2016 at 21:44
  • @Daniel, in that particular shul, no one says b'rachos at the amud, either, but that's irrelevant, because it's only one shul. The relevance of what that shul does is as an idea for what others might do, in which case they can say the b'rachos aloud.
    – msh210
    Feb 18, 2016 at 21:47

Here is what i believe to be the answer (i did not take a poll of actual shuls, as that would be the only real way to find out the answer to your question.):

The fact that you found an opinion that requires karbanos as being min hatorah, does not necessarily constitute halacha (or there is some other way of being yotzei his opinion...). that having been said, this opinion is not codified in shulchan aruch as an obligation, but rather as a good practice ("טוב לומר"). see this hebrew article.

As such, it is not so hard to believe that shuls will leave this "good practice" to the discretion of each shul member, to decide if they have the time or patience to participate in this great practice.

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    If Shuls aren't requiring optional things then why do they say Shir Shel Yom? Clearly the Tamid is more important than that! Anim Zmirot is definitely no more than a good practice. Ledavid Hashem is barely 200 years old. Why do Shuls allow such things to be said on everyone's time??
    – Double AA
    Mar 16, 2018 at 3:18
  • @DoubleAA not all shuls say anim zemiros, and if they want to say it it has to be on everyone's time. all the rest are after aleinu, and if no one wants to say kaddish everyone can leave.
    – Hershy S.
    Mar 18, 2018 at 2:51
  • Of course some places don't say anim zmirot, but those that do should also say the Tamid if your reason for why some don't say it is correct
    – Double AA
    Mar 18, 2018 at 2:53
  • But tamid does not require opening the ark
    – Hershy S.
    Mar 18, 2018 at 2:54
  • Neither does anim zmirot and anyway why does opening the ark matter at all?
    – Double AA
    Mar 18, 2018 at 2:55

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