One is not allowed to partake of any food or drink before reciting or hearing the kiddush of the day. However, because coffee helps with concentration during prayers, there's a leniency to allow one to drink coffee before the morning prayer.

Until when does this leniency extend? Is it only before the beginning of shacharit? What about before mussaf or during the Torah reading?

  • IIRC, the question extends into a general rule about eating and drinking nefore davening, not just SHabbat / Kiddush. I think the SA specifically states that drinking coffee or water is OK.
    – DanF
    Commented Oct 18, 2015 at 16:33
  • @DanF, OK without any restrictions on time?
    – Ani Yodea
    Commented Oct 18, 2015 at 16:36
  • Closely related: judaism.stackexchange.com/q/67090
    – msh210
    Commented Jan 10, 2016 at 3:30

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One should not taste any food before the morning kiddush (SA OC 289.1). The reason one can drink water before praying is that there is no obligation of kiddush before praying and water is not considered as food in this context.

Therefore you can drink water until you finish praying shacharit (i.e., shmone esrei). Then the obligation of kiddush starts.

As to drinking during shaharit (since you ask when exactly does the leniency end): technically one cannot interrupt between psukei dzimrah and shmonei esrei (SA OC 51.4) so it appears one can drink until right before starting psukei dzimrah.

Note one cannot make a full meal until one has prayed Mussaf but fruit or less than 54 grams or cake is allowed (SA OC 286.3).

And if you need a practical ruling CYLOR as there are leniencies for e.g., sick or older people. It is also possible one could even drink during psukei dzimrah if one has already said sheakol as the SA above discusses speaking as an interruption.


According to this Star-K article

On Shabbos morning, men may drink water, tea or coffee before Shachris (after brochos), but may not eat and may not drink “chashuva beverages” (e.g. alcoholic beverages) unless they are required for health purposes. After Shachris, one may not eat or drink until after Kiddush.

A woman who normally davens may eat or drink before davening after reciting morning brochos. According to some Poskim,42 on Shabbos if she needs to eat before davening, she is not required to recite Kiddush at that time. Once she has completed davening Shachris, she must hear Kiddush before eating or drinking.

My understanding of the above is that you can have coffee as long as you haven't started Shacharit, and you would have to say the "birkot hashachar" first, anyway. Once you have past that point, you have to wait for Kiddush, if you're male.

FWIW, this would explain the "schnapps clubs" in many shuls, where people make Kiddush between Shacharit and Musaph. (Many shuls in my neighborhood, have a no alcohol policy which includes no wine, as well. Kiddush in shul is said on grape juice.)

  • I don't understand the quoted passage as you do. You say the demarcation is the beginning of shacharis; but the quoted passage differentiates only between "before Shachris" and "After Shachris" without implying anything AFAICT about the time in between those two.
    – msh210
    Commented Oct 19, 2015 at 21:24
  • @msh210 To me, it seems understandable. Once you begin Shacharit (after brachot) you can't have your coffee until after you've made Kiddush. To me, that means that between Shacharit and Musaph, if you want to have coffee, you must first make Kiddush. That's what we used to do in summer camp, and several shuls do that, too. It doesn't say that you have to make Kiddush only after musaph. Did you understand the term "Shacharit" to mean "the time of the day that you should daven Shacharit" vs. just the act of davening Shacharit?
    – DanF
    Commented Oct 19, 2015 at 22:08
  • I agree that after shacharis before musaf one would need to say kidush. But what about after the start of shacharis before its end? You understand from the quoted passage "that you can have coffee as long as you haven't started Shacharit" and "Once you have past that point, you have to wait for Kiddush" but I don't see any implication about during shacharis.
    – msh210
    Commented Oct 19, 2015 at 22:11
  • @msh210 No, it doesn't state that, explicitly. Most people that I know, complete Shacharit, uninterrupted, once they start it. You're raising, perhaps, an uncommon practice. Nonetheless, I'm inferring from the article that once you start davening Shacharit, that's it. No coffee w/o Kiddush. That's how I understand what it's saying. I.e - "after Shacharit", here, means, after STARTING Shacharit; not "after completion".
    – DanF
    Commented Oct 19, 2015 at 22:21

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