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As per this question, we whisper the statement Baruch Shem Kvod Malchuto L'olam Va'ed duirng shma (except on Yom Kippur). But what about when we say the phrase not as part of shma? Do we whisper it then?

When I put on my shel rosh, I say the phrase. Should I intentionally be lowering my voice at that moment or does the phrase only require special whispering when it is part of the shma?

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    The Mesoras HaRav Yom Kippur Machzor mentions that the Rav asked his father R. Moshe to ask his father R. Chaim if a person may recite 'baruch shem' out loud during the year. He responded that a person praying in private may, as it is only improper when a part of 'tefillah betzibbur'. Accordingly, it would be fine to say it out loud when alone, and I suspect, even in public as it is still not a part of public prayer in general, or the Shema-Baruch Shem prayer in particular. See the explanation given there. – mevaqesh Sep 25 '15 at 15:32
  • @mevaqesh I saw a reference to that, but it only dealt with Baruch as part of SHma. I can see the logical leap to non-Shma based recitations, but I wonder, according to those who don't say it out loud even alone, what the answer is. – rosends Sep 25 '15 at 16:54
  • If it's any indication for me to say that the answer is - "It applies only to Shema", view the many times we say it aloud on Yom Kippur outside Shema - A piyut in Shacharit, 3 times during Avodah in Musaf, and 3 times at the end of Ne'ilah. All these places (except, perhaps for Shacharit piyut), it's said aloud. – DanF Sep 25 '15 at 18:14
  • @Danno "according to those who don't say it out loud even alone" who? (That is, have you seen any poskim who write this, or are you simply referencing the popular convention. If the latter, be aware that that convention probably was the same for the last 150 years, yet the Rav et al. still felt that in private it could be recited aloud). – mevaqesh Sep 25 '15 at 19:01
  • @mevaqesh If there is an opinion that says that you CAN say it aloud, in private, I figured that there was some established understanding that one would NOT say it aloud, in private. – rosends Sep 25 '15 at 20:13
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HaRav Hershel Schachter is of the opinion that it's permissible to say Baruch Shem out loud outside of the context of Keriat Shema, such as when singing Ana BeKoach during Kabbalat Shabbat. The Ben Ish Chai (Od Yosef Chai, Shanah Rishonah, Parashat Miketz 8), however, states unequivocally that one should be careful to say Baruch Shem quietly, in the context of Ana beKoach. Seemingly, he disagrees across the board.

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The reason it is setup in a silent tone is because it is a phrase that is used only by angels.
Which is reason why on the fast yom kippur alone? Because we are compared to angels (and many other custom to dress in white). So, yes I believe even when said not during the prayer of shema, it should be said silently. However on the other hand the angels only say it when we pray or at certain times so may be ok

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    Please respect the rest of us enough to write in somewhat proper English. This is full of obvious typos and includes no punctuation whatsoever. It's hard for us to read and understand. – Double AA Apr 8 '16 at 21:26
  • when after tefilin of head we say BSMLV we are also compared to an angels? – kouty Apr 10 '16 at 0:24
  • not that i know of – menachem Apr 10 '16 at 0:34

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