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Talmud Rosh Hashannah 32b delves into a discussion on the Mishnah's instruction that each of the 3 sections in the middle part of Musaph Rosh Hashannah contain at least 3 verses from the Torah, 3 from the Prophets, and 3 from Writings followed by a concluding verse from the Torah (according to the opinion of Rav Yossi, whom we follow).

In the Shofarot section, the first 3 Torah verses mention the word shofar somewhere within the citation. The last concluding Torah verse, mentions the chatzotzrot (trumpets) and not the shofar. How is this verse, then, considered a "valid" verse if there is no mention of the theme of shofarot and is not consistent with the other verses?

Note: It is also true that the last Torah verse in Malchuyot also does not mention the word melech (king). However, there is a debate about this verse on this Talmud page. The opinion of R. Yossi is that the verse we use is considered Malchut. The Talmud does not discuss the apparent conflict with the verse in shofarot. Also, note that we follow the custom of Rav Yossi that states that we should end with a Torah verse.

Thanks to msh210 for pointing out that there are actually 11 verses in total (and, for some reason, Psalm 150, appears to be a 4th verse from Ketuvim, which is an anomaly). I had to edit my question, as a result to account for the count confusion.

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I can't believe that I missed an answer that was in the Gemarah all along, on the same page that I cited.

Rosh Hashanah 32b

תרועה שאין עמה לא כלום כגון (במדבר כט, א) יום תרועה יהיה לכם אומרה עם השופרות דברי רבי יוסי

My translation:

If the word תרועה is mentioned in the citation without anything else (e.g. the word shofar), such as the verse

"A day of teruah shall it be for you" (Numbers 29:1),

should be said in the Shofarot section. These are the words of R. Yossi (whose opinion we follow.)

The last verse that I mentioned does, indeed contain the word teruah without the word shofar. According to Rav Yossi, this verse, is then, valid to be used in the Shofarot section.

  • @ DanF Where is the word teruah in Bamidbar 10:10? It is in 10:9; but that's not in the Machzor. You were refering to Bamidbar 10:10 right? I didn't think it was that easy to win yet :) – David Kenner Sep 18 '15 at 21:33
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The section of shofaros starts with "Ata nigleysa" "You revealed yourself...". The first verse used in the ten shofaros verses is a pasuk from Torah (Exodus 19:16) "VaYehi bayom hashlishi..." "And it was on the third day...". The tenth verse used is one from the Prophets (Zechariah 9:14) "VaHashem aleyhem yeraeh..." "And G-d appeared unto them...".

The tenth verse mentions the shofar. "...and G-d sounded with the shofar..."

The machzor then has the key words "Elokeinu vEylokei avoseinu" to indicate that the 10 verses are over and the chazzan is now continuing with a special request poem connected with shofar leading to the brachah of shofaros. Along the way, a pasuk from Torah (Numbers 10:10) is used to stress the poem's point, that we should all experience happiness on the holiday when we offer karbanos. This pasuk mentions trumpets but not shofar. That is because it is not one of the ten pasukim of shofaros.

The 4th verse of shofaros mentions trumpets and shofar (Psalms 98:6)

There is a connection to trumpets and shofar as both were combined in the Temple service (based on Psalms 98:6). See Mishnah Rosh HaShannah 3:3-4.

Apparently, our machzorim are not strict about the 10th verse being from Torah specifically (as opposed to Prophets or Writings).

Hope this helps.

EDIT......

Hi all, The above answer is wrong. I do not know protocol here for this so I would appreciate the help. Should it be deleted? etc.

Here are my 3 basic mistakes:

1) Numbers 10:10 is in fact the final Torah verse of shofaros. I was wrong to assume that since it looked like the 11th, that it was not part of the ten. The Psalm 150 is the addition.

2) Double AA is correct. The key words Elokeinu VElokei avoseinu (although usually does introduce a new section in davening) does not preclude the 10th verse from being saved for that paragraph. He is right from the example that Zichronos does the same thing. The trick is that Malchiot does not allow its tenth verse in the Elokeinu VElokei avosenu paragraph.

3) Our machzorim do in fact make sure that the tenth or final verse is from Torah (not Navi or Ketuvim).

Thanks also to DanF and msh210 for notes that got me thinking along with Double AA.

The real answer is that :

1) The final verse of each set is meant to appear in the final brachah paragraph. The exception is malchiot; for a special reason.

2) The Psalm 150 is included as an 11th verse in shofaros due to its midrashic value of being the source for learning that we need ten.

3) The trumpets verse that the OP originally asked about (due to its lack of mention of the key word "shofar"), Numbers 10:10, is used anyway due to it being a major source drashah for the origin of the obligation of Malchiut, Zichronos, and Shofaros in the first place. Some say that Psalm 150 was added to make up for Numbers 10 lacking the word shofar.

I did research this last night to find this all out. However, some of it is still unclear to me and I have not verified the sources yet, so I am just providing short notes above with my retraction.

TY

  • What about Zichronot where the key words "Elokeinu vEylokei avoseinu" come before the 10th verse? – Double AA Sep 16 '15 at 21:16
  • Are you using a different version of the Machzor??? Both Nusach Ashkenaz and Sefard indicate only 9 verses in total and the one I cited IS The 10th! I think you arte counting a verse from Psalm 150 as a separate verse from the rest?? I'm confused as to where you get this info from. As for "See Mishnah Rosh HaShannah 3:3-4", this would be OK if you can support that using this idea is a sufficient substitute for the verse being used. I had thought of that idea, but could find no support from the Gemarah. – DanF Sep 16 '15 at 21:23
  • @DanF, I see eleven. See e.g. hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=33693&pgnum=146. I was going to investigate (and maybe ask on MY) why there are eleven, not ten, but perhaps DavidKenner is right that your question answers it: there are in fact only ten with shofar. (But, like DoubleAA, I don't know what the "Elokenu..." has to do with anything.) – msh210 Sep 16 '15 at 22:20
  • @msh210 Ahah! I see where the confusion in the counting arises. For some reason, there are what looks like four verses from Ketuvim. The Q is - what is the citing of the full Psalm 150 doing there? That warrants another question, perhaps. In light of that, I need to rephrase my question, which still stands as is. Just needs rewording. – DanF Sep 16 '15 at 22:26
  • David - My apologies for the downvote. I see where the confusion arose in the counting! See my latest edits. – DanF Sep 16 '15 at 22:32

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