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Let's say an elderly man needs to be cleaned: he cannot clean himself because of extreme weakness. Can his daughter do this or must she hire someone else?

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    Why would you think she can or can't? – Double AA Aug 2 '15 at 21:14
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    @doubleaa, Rama EH 23:6 ...עוד אסרו בגמ׳ לרחוץ עם אביו ואחיו ובעל אמו ובעל אחותו ונהגו עכשיו היתר בדבר הואיל ומכסין ערותן בבית המרחץ ליכא למיחש להרהורא (אגודה) : – sam Aug 3 '15 at 0:01
  • @sam no hirhur by a woman – hazoriz Aug 3 '15 at 2:32
  • @sam I remember from somewhere it also has to do with respect ,(see last quote from the rambam that if the teacher needs him he can be there) – hazoriz Aug 3 '15 at 2:35
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    Why should the father by naked? Even his private parts can be cleaned with minimal exposure. – Danny Schoemann Aug 3 '15 at 8:21
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Would this not be considered permissible by fact that a woman is obligated to honor her parents by, for instance, "covering and uncovering" them, when required? (Kiddushin 30a)

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  • If one of the obligations is uncovering why it is not permissible? (He need uncovering at this time) – hazoriz Jun 15 '16 at 11:15
  • Exactly my point. – DonielF Jun 15 '16 at 20:40
  • So why do you say "not be considered permissible" – hazoriz Jun 15 '16 at 20:41
  • It's the equivalent of "Wouldn't this be considered permissible". – DonielF Jun 15 '16 at 20:43
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The torah sometimes uses the word "uncovered his nakedness" to mean relations (absolutely not the uncovering of the body) (not forbidden to see your father naked)

Rambam kedusha /isurai bia 1

Halacha 6

When a person has promiscuous relations with a woman and conceives a daughter with her, that daughter is considered an ervah for him. Although the Torah does not state: "Do not reveal the nakedness of your daughter," the prohibition is of Scriptural origin. Since [the Torah] forbade [relations] with the daughter of one's daughter, it did not mention [the prohibition against] one's daughter. This is not from the words of our Sages. Therefore a person who has relations with a daughter born of his wife is liable for two [sin offerings], for [relations with] his daughter and for relations with a woman and her daughter.

Halacha 10

A person who inserts the corona into [the woman's vaginal channel] is referred to as one who "uncovers" as [Leviticus 20:18] states: "He uncovered her source." A person who inserts the entire organ is referred to as one who completes [intercourse]. With regard to all the forbidden relations [mentioned] by the Torah, one who "uncovers" and one who "completes [intercourse] are [equally] liable for execution by the court, kerait, lashes, or stripes for rebellious conduct. Even though the man did not ejaculate and even if he withdrew and did not complete relations, [the man and the woman] both become liable. Whether a person engages in vaginal or anal intercourse, when he "uncovers" [the woman], they both become liable for execution, kerait, lashes, or stripes for rebellious conduct. Whether they were lying or standing, liability is established by the insertion of the corona.

Rambam kedusha /isurai bia 21

Halacha 7

What is implied? A father is permitted to embrace his daughter, kiss her, and sleep with her with their bodies touching and a mother may do the same with her son as long as they are young. When they grow and become mature with the girl's body becoming developed, they should each sleep in clothing.

If the daughter is embarrassed to stand before her father naked or she married, and similarly, if the mother was embarrassed to stand before her son naked, even if [the children] are minors, when one reaches the point when one is ashamed [of being naked] in their presence, they should sleep together only when clothed

Halacha 5

It is forbidden for a man to have any woman - whether a minor or an adult, whether a servant or a freed woman - perform personal tasks for him, lest he come to lewd thoughts.

Which tasks are referred to? Washing his face, his hands, or his feet, spreading his bed in his presence, and pouring him a cup. For these tasks are performed for a man only by his wife.

[A man] should not send greetings to a woman at all, not even via a messenger.

Halacha 16

A person should not enter a bathhouse with his father, his sister's husband, nor with his student. If he needs his student [to assist him], it is permitted. There are places where people followed the custom that two brothers would not enter a bathhouse at the same time.

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  • All interesting and relevant, but Halacha 5 would forbid female nursing staff from caring for a Jewish man. If there is no one else to do it and the man is incapable, shouldn't a female, even the daughter do it? At some point, it becomes Pikuash Nefesh. – Mike Aug 3 '15 at 3:37
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    I don't see an answer - just random related quotes – Danny Schoemann Aug 3 '15 at 7:42
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    How 'bout cutting out everything but halacha 16, which is the only relevant part. Everything else is מוסיף שהוא מגרע. And graphic. Rambam writes that lashon hakodesh is so called because it lacks words relating to sexuality (and inevitably resorts to innuendo). English sadly lacks this quality. – mevaqesh Sep 2 '15 at 0:28

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