I was told that Rav Amnon Yitzchak quoted the Chazon Ish saying that men in kollel who are not learning properly (or something to that effect) are considered rodfim.

Can anyone source this Chazon Ish?

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    Who are they trying to kill? They're obviously thieves, of course.
    – Double AA
    Jun 28, 2015 at 15:19
  • @DoubleAA Sarcasm?
    – Gavriel
    Jun 28, 2015 at 16:10
  • No. If you slack off at work you're stealing from your employer. This is obvious. If an alleged talmid chacham does this with a kollel then they are also creating a chillul hashem which only death atones for. אוי לו לרבו שלימדו תורה
    – Double AA
    Jun 28, 2015 at 16:12
  • I misunderstood your original comment. I thought you were saying that men in kollel are thieves.
    – Gavriel
    Jun 28, 2015 at 17:18
  • Well there's the issue of sofo lilastem es habrios. But that's a general umbrella for anyone not involved with making a living.
    – user6591
    Jun 28, 2015 at 18:28

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You're probably looking for this quote (or one of the variations on it that are floating around):

״כל מי שמנצל לרעה את זכות הדחייה של תלמידי הישיבות, הרי הוא בבחינת רודף, וחוטא כלפי בני הישיבות״

Anyone who wrongly exploits the 'yeshiva student' [draft] deferral is considered like a rodef, and sins against the [actual] bnei yeshivot.

The internet in several places attributes this line to the Chazon Ish "as quoted by the menahel Vaad haYeshivot, Rabbi M. Tenenbaum." (Sometimes adding: in the newspaper Erev Shabbat 11.12.87. This formulation is found in the קונטרס תורתו-אמנותו of Shlomo Benizri, and others claim to have heard it from R' Tenenbaum directly, but those 'others' are semi-anonymous internet people. I also have not actually seen the newspaper that is being cited.) The quote from the Chazon Ish is also supposedly quoted in Pe’er Hador, vol. 4, p. 260; if anyone has access to this book, it would be great if you could confirm this.

(I've seen R' Tenenbaum described as a talmid of the Chazon Ish, but again, not anywhere particularly reliable.)

  • This answer could be enhanced by explaining the logic behind the phrase: That those who use Kollel as a "shield" to avoid service (actively protecting other Jews) are essentially putting others in danger... Jun 29, 2015 at 13:56
  • @IsaacKotlicky I'm hesitant to do so without the original context for the statement, because I can see at least two other possible meanings, and I don't know which the Chazon Ish actually intended.
    – Rish
    Jun 29, 2015 at 16:02

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