In the newspaper "Hapeles" published in Israel, an ad published in the name of Rabbi Mordechai Gross shlit'a says that there is a problem with the coffee produced by "Elite" Israel . It is forbidden to use it regularly on Shabbat; it needs to be made only in a "Kli Shlishi".

I use this cafe, do you know what happened?

The ad warning about the coffee.

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    I also drink this. But possibly it was discovered that the coffee grinds (that were turned into instant coffee) doesn't go through a full process of "bishul" so therefore it would be mevashel in a kli sheini as it would be considered kalei habishul Jun 26, 2015 at 14:15
  • Is it possible to ask "Elite" If there is any change in the manufacturing process. I would be grateful to those who can do it.
    – haron
    Jun 28, 2015 at 13:32

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If I had to venture a guess? People had probably assumed it was entirely freeze-dried coffee -- i.e. cook the coffee, then take out all the water.

Forbes notes:

[Starbucks] Via is a combination of dried coffee and “micro-ground” coffee.

So if other brands contain micro-grounds, those [presumably] haven't yet been cooked. Which would necessitate a kli shlishi.


Concurring with Shalom's answer, and based on experience, I believe Elite has always been microground. I believe this is not a change, and I know many people have used a Keli Shelishi for it (and other coffees, incidentally).

  • I also don't believe the warning is new, but I may be mistaken about that.
    – Seth J
    Jun 26, 2015 at 15:39
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    Elite doesn't leave grinds at the bottom of the cup (a tell-tale sign of micro-grinding, AFAIK). It is a thin powder because it is spray dried. Besides, as Shalom linked, Micro-grinding is a new invention. Elite has been ruining morning coffee in Yeshiva for decades.
    – Yishai
    Jun 26, 2015 at 17:07
  • @Yishai, I stand by my answer. I think it may even say on the package that it is micro ground.
    – Seth J
    Jun 26, 2015 at 17:29

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