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The Torah states that Eliezer gave Rivka a golden nose ring...Based on the Torah it is allowed. What I want to know is why people do not accept this and discourage it.

  • You are making a definitive statement that this is not allowed. Please provide support for such a statement. – DanF Jun 16 '15 at 16:18
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    Why do you assume it is not allowed? i actually heard that up to about 150 years ago nose rings were common among jews in morocco. – Shoel U'Meishiv Jun 16 '15 at 16:20
  • Who are these people you are referring to? are there any specific groups that have declared that a nose ring is prohibited? – Shoel U'Meishiv Jun 16 '15 at 16:34
  • I don't see any one in Boro Park, Willi, Monroe, Flatbush with nose rings. I don't think anyone has outright prohibited it, I think people even if they would want to do it, are too afraid to stand out regardless if it is permitted halachically. – chavatzellet Jun 16 '15 at 16:38
  • @chavatzellet Maybe they all happen to think it's ugly? – Double AA Jun 16 '15 at 16:39
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I copied this excerpt from Halachipedia

Rav Tuito on yeshiva.org.il writes that it is permitted to have a piercing for beauty such as women have ear piercings. However, piercings which are done just as self-expression or culture such as a a belly ring, which isn't seen anyway, are forbidden. In fact, Rivka Imenu not only had her ears pierced, but wore a nose ring as well, which was the custom at that time. (see Genesis 24:22) In Jewish law, the main determination is whether a particular body piercing is done for a constructive purpose. Excessive body piercing without a constructive purpose is considered making a wound, which the Torah forbids. (Deut. 4:9, 15; Code of Jewish Law – C.M. 420:31). See Rashi Devarim 14:1 who writes that Hashem wants Bnei Yisrael to look nice without bruises or cuts.

My browser currently won't let me view the yeshiva.org, article, so I can't honestly offer a summary or my own take on this, now. B"N, after I can view this, it may give me further insight.

  • If he means that getting a belly piercing would be a prohibition of chavallah, then that would be an incredibly novelty. He would be saying that although there is no prohibition in injuring yourself for a constructive purpose, that only includes purposes approved by R. Tuito; not other purposes. I don't have the C.M. in front of me, though. If for someone for example wants to improve his / her appearance through a piercing in a place that isnt usually visible, on what grounds can R. Tuito claim that chavallah (injuring someone wrongly) has been committed? – mevaqesh Jun 16 '15 at 17:58
  • @mevaqesh, he says that it is not done for beauty if the majority of people don't regard it as beautiful and it is done in a place no one can see. He doesn't outright forbid it, he just says it is difficult to find the heter for it in such a case. – Yishai Jun 16 '15 at 18:30
  • @Yishai "He doesn't outright forbid it, he just says it is difficult to find the heter for it in such a case." Hmm... almost sounds like P.C. (political correctness) ;-) – DanF Jun 16 '15 at 19:01
  • but he concedes that it depends on "tzorech" not on beauty specifically. Thats why i find his ruling strange. If the Torah said: "no piercing except for beauty" then O could understand that beauty would be defied by the majority opinion. But the Torah actually forbade needless piercing, so whats the difference if I have a reason to pierce myself b/c everyone else does it, or I have a reason to do it b/c many but not all do, or if I have a reason to do it because I personally like the appearance? (I am not attacking you as I understand that you didnt author the response.) – mevaqesh Jun 16 '15 at 22:48

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