This year the first day of Pesach is Shabbos. There is an obligation to eat a third meal. It seem that there may be two issues: see here

Eating a third meal may take away the appetite for matzoh at the seder, and normally we do not allow matzoh to be eaten after noon before the (first) seder.

This problem is discussed widely when Erev Pesach falls on Shabbos (see eg this article from OU) but not so widely when the first day of Pesach is Shabbos.

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    Simple solution: move to Israel, where we only have one seder!
    – Scimonster
    Commented Mar 30, 2015 at 13:19
  • Possible correction? I assume that when reciting the halacha, you said, "we do not allow matzoh to be eaten after noon before the (first) seder". I see that you put "first" in parentheses. This year Se'udah Shlishit is before the 2nd Seder. AFAIK, the halachot should be the same, but, perhaps, not (regardless of the fact that it is Shabbat). My reasoning is that during Yom Tov, it is a mitzvah to eat, and, I don't think there is a problem of eating matzot after noon on the 1st day of Yom Tov as long as you don't stuff yourself so that you won't enjoy the seder Matzah? Can u confirm?
    – DanF
    Commented Mar 30, 2015 at 14:38
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    "normally we do not allow matzoh to be eaten after noon before the (first) seder" We don't allow Matza to be eaten ALL DAY before the first seder. Clearly we don't worry about that before the second seder, or we couldn't have lunch.
    – Double AA
    Commented Mar 30, 2015 at 15:15

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The Kitzur Shulchan Aruch in סימן קג - דיני שמחת יום טוב says that the first day of Yom Tov is always treated as an Erev Yom Tov:

אֵיזֶהוּ כִּבּוּד. זֶה שֶׁאָמְרוּ רַבּוֹתֵינוּ זִכְרוֹנָם לִבְרָכָה, שֶׁמִּצְוָה עַל הָאָדָם לְגַלֵּחַ בְּעֶרֶב יוֹם טוֹב, כְּדֵי שֶׁלֹּא יִכָּנֵס לָרֶגֶל כְּשֶׁהוּא מְנֻוָּל. וְכֵן מִצְוָה לִרְחוֹץ בְּחַמִּין וְלָחֹף רֹאשׁוֹ וְלִטּוֹל צִפָּרְנָיו בְּעֶרֶב יוֹם טוֹב, כְּמוֹ בְּעֶרֶב שַׁבָּת. וְכֵן מִצְוָה לָלוּשׁ פַּת בְּבֵיתוֹ בְּעֶרֶב יוֹם טוֹב לִכְבוֹד יוֹם טוֹב כְּמוֹ בְּעֶרֶב שַׁבָּת. וְכֵן אָסוּר לֶאֱכוֹל בְּעֶרֶב יוֹם טוֹב מִן הַמִּנְחָה וּלְמַעְלָה כְּמוֹ בְּעֶרֶב שַׁבָּת, כְּדֵי שֶׁיֹּאכַל סְעוּדַּת יוֹם טוֹב לְתֵאָבוֹן. וְאִם חָל עֶרֶב יוֹם טוֹב בַּשַׁבָּת, יֹאכַל סְעוּדָּה שְׁלִישִׁית קֹדֶם מִנְחָה קְטַנָּה. וְכֵן הַדִּין בְּיוֹם טוֹב רִאשׁוֹן שֶׁהוּא עֶרֶב יוֹם טוֹב שֵׁנִי. ‏

As a result, one has to eat the 3rd Shabbat meal before Mincha-time. That's 2½ Halachic hours before sunset.


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