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Is ice considered food or drink in Halacha? So for example, if one would eat an kezais of ice on yom Kippur, but it would not be equal to a reviyis, would he be liable for a chatas?

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  • Well, there is a concern of nolad when ice melts into water on shabbos... That would imply that ice is considered distinct from water, and the only functional difference between cold water and ice is the crystalline state... – Isaac Kotlicky Mar 26 '15 at 13:53
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From Din Online:

Poskim discuss the status of ice cream or ices–are they considered as liquids or solids? According to some poskim they are considered liquids, and would therefore be covered by the hagafen blessing (see especially Sephardi poskim: Or Le-Zion14:18; Yakut Yosef 3:177, 10; see also Ben Ish Chai, Masei 8; see also Be’er Moshe 1:11, and Vezos Ha-Berachah p.44, inthe name of Rav Elyashiv).

However, others write that they have the halachah of solids (see Shaar Ha-Zion 158:1; Mekor Ha-Berachah p.110, inthe name of the Steipler; Betzeil Ha-Chochmah 3:114, 4 distinguishes between ice creams that are made with many different ingredients, and ices that are predominantly frozen water).

Therefore, some recite a blessing over the ice cream even in a meal, and even after reciting hagafen at the beginning. This is probably the common custom among Ashkenazim. Most Sephardim do not recite a blessing on the ice cream, and leave eating the ice cream until after benching, following the ruling of Rav Ovadyah Yosef and other Sephardi poskim.

For ices that are licked and not chewed, it appears that this is certainly considered drinking and not eating, and the hagafen blessing will suffice. (My Emphasis)

From Daily Halacha:

Rabbi Moshe Stern of Debereczyn, in his work Be'er Moshe (vol. 1, 11:2), rules that Halacha indeed treats ice cream as a liquid, and not as a solid, and thus it is covered by the Beracha recited over bread or the Beracha recited over wine. This view is codified as well by Hacham Yishak Yosef in his work Kol Torah, in the name of his father, Hacham Ovadia Yosef. The work "Ve'zot Ha'beracha" (p. 100) likewise cites this ruling in the name of several leading Halachic authorities.

From Eretz Hemdah:

a few poskim make the following claim. Ice cream is a liquid that is served as a solid because people enjoy it at an artificially cold temperature. Since accepted practice is not to make a beracha on liquids during a meal, including during dessert, one should not make a beracha on ice cream. Yalkut Yosef (on OC167, 10) rules this way in the name of his father (Rav Ovadya). There are reports that Rav Moshe Feinstein ruled this way as well (see Vezot Haberacha, pg. 74). One could say that it is logical to call ice cream a liquid only when it is based heavily on milk and/or water, not when it is a mixture of eggs, soy products, and sugar (i.e., pareve ice cream) (see opinions in Piskei Teshuvot 177:(24)). Perhaps Rav Moshe was speaking about classic ice cream; however, Rav Ovadya does not accept this distinction.

It appears that many poskim treat ice-cream and frozen fruit juices (ices) as liquids for the purposes of determining whether they are exempt from brachos during a meal. This means that we would use the shiur of a revi'is when determining shiur requirements for the bracha achrona, therefore the consumption of ice on Yom Kippur would only be a violation of inuy if one consumed the equivalent of a revi'is of water once it is melted rather than the smaller kezayis shiur.

  • Interesting answer, but the question was asking about ice specifically, not frozen liquid treats. See my comment on the OP - the concern of nolad vis a vis ice on shabbos implies that we treat it as a solid and therefore distinct from water. I can't definitively point to a rav that says that, however... – Isaac Kotlicky Mar 26 '15 at 13:55
  • There is no difference. What brocha and which shiur indicates how we look at it. See my emphasis added in first reference. Further nolad of ice into water (when in the water is NOT nolad) as its not nikkar. They may be different states but not different entities (if that makes sense) – Shoel U'Meishiv Mar 26 '15 at 14:03
  • Yes, but for water/ice you would be making the same bracha regardless, and water is weird when it comes to brachos (it's the only consumable that can't be yotzei with an accidental mezonos) so it might be incomparable to other frozen goods. Ice in water is not nolad because the melt is batel to the existing standing water. We have a similar situation by demai and by urinating into a pool - it is batel tipa tipa. – Isaac Kotlicky Mar 26 '15 at 14:11
  • Why do you assume that ice is only water? Why cant the OP be using ice to refer to anything that has reached a state of solidified liquid? – Shoel U'Meishiv Mar 26 '15 at 14:16
  • "and thus it is covered by the beracha recited over bread OR the beracha recited over wine." This implies it's in an indefinite state (that it received coverage, but it's unclear WHICH bracha gave it coverage). That's not material to answering the question at hand. You can have coagulated milk (cheese) and even coagulated juices/wines (jelly). You can't coagulate plain water into a solid. – Isaac Kotlicky Mar 26 '15 at 14:19

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