After Sukkos, we immediately begin saying mashiv haruach, as it is the rainy season. However, we delay saying v'sein tal umattar, the request for rain, until we have given the pilgrims who came to Jerusalem for the festival time to get home (Taanis 10a). We don't want them to get rained on on the way.

We continue saying v'sein tal umattar until erev Pesach (Shulchan Aruch O.C. 117:1).

How come we don't stop a few days early, to give the pilgrims a dry journey to Jerusalem? How come we only want to facilitate a dry journey home? If anything, I would have thought the opposite - we should want to ensure a dry journey to Jerusalem, lest someone refrain from coming due to the treacherous journey.

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    When you have something to expect to, you don't feel down. To Jerusalem = Happy even if it rains From jerusalem = Feeling down if it rains
    – Zeev
    Mar 23, 2015 at 23:25
  • It's very unusual for it to rain at the tail end of the season. Reason would damage the ovens they bake matzo in, and is a primary reason for adding a second Adar. Nevertheless, if it's going to rain it remains a siman bracha, so we continue to ask for it. We explicitly stop asking for rain during pesach because it becomes a woman klalah. Mar 24, 2015 at 0:02
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    @IsaacKotlicky can you source that claim about adding a second Adar to facilitate matzah baking? I'm pretty sure it's because Pesach has to be in chodesh ha'aviv. Mar 24, 2015 at 3:43
  • @yEz That is the reason the power exists, but there are other reasons Beit Din might choose to do so even if not necessary. See Rambam Kiddush Hachodesh Chapter 4, particularly Halacha 5
    – Double AA
    Mar 24, 2015 at 4:32
  • @IsaacKotlicky It's not matza baking it's ovens to roast the Pesach.
    – Double AA
    Mar 24, 2015 at 4:32

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Daf Al Hadaf brings this question from Kovetz Bais Hillel

He brings a few answers, two of them are below.

Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Auerbach answers that when Jews went to Jerusalem for Succos they were still wearing summer clothing and were unprepared for rain. However when they went for Pesach they wore winter clothing and were able to travel even in the rain.

Rabbi Chaim Kanievsky answers that it is no problem going to the Bais Hamikdash when it is raining, however it is a problem leaving the Bais Hamikdash when it is raining. He says this is alluded to in the verse בבית אלוקים נהלך ברגש״ ־ ״ברגש״ ר״ת ״ברד רוח גשם שלג that when you are going נהלך you can go even if there is rain and snow.

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    That part from RCK must be intended to be cute and not serious. Mar 24, 2015 at 18:21
  • According to Rav SZA, what about their wagons getting stuck in the mud? Or not being able to cross a river because the bridge had fallen down? Etc, etc.
    – Lo ani
    Oct 26, 2019 at 18:28

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