When do you say Kaddish Derabanan after a shiur? What are the requirements for this Kaddish?

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    One of the requirements is for there to be a minyan present. I'm not sure if this is obvious, but it should probably be stated nevertheless. Jan 31, 2012 at 4:50

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R' Scheinberg said kaddish derabbanan after every shiur, since there was Torah shebaal pe berabim (which makes more sense than saying kaddish after "korbanos", pitum haketores and bame madlikin which we just daven off).

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    is the parenthetical note yours or R' Scheinberg's?
    – Menachem
    Mar 23, 2012 at 19:05
  • It is mine. For the record, my answer is based on personal experience (though I can't remember if he said kaddish after mishmar shailos).
    – YDK
    Mar 25, 2012 at 4:33

The following is taken from the sefer הקדיש here:

It is called Kaddish D'Rabanan because it was instituted to be said after learning Torah Sheba'al Peh which was transmitted to the Rabbis. (כנה"ג א"ח ס' קנח)

And this is what the Rambam says: Whenever there are ten or more Jews who are involved in learning Torah Sheba'al Peh, even Midrashim or Agados, when they finish one of them says standing up Kaddish D'Rabanan. (משנה תורה, סדר התפילה ל)

But only if some Aggada is said afterwards, because this Kaddish was mainly instituted for words of Aggada, and so the custom is to say after Pirkei Avos and במה מדליקין either ר' חנניא בו עקשיא or א"ר חנניא ת"ח וכו' in order that the Kaddish goes on the Aggada. (ש"ע ס' נד, מ"א, באה"ט)

And in a similar fashion even after learning Gemara or Zohar. (קשר גודל ס' ח)

The halachos of Kaddish D'Rabanan are mentioned in the Mishnah Berura in סימן נ"ד, ס"ק ט.

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    Personally, this is a much more thorough answer than the accepted one.
    – Lee
    Sep 18, 2015 at 8:50

I heard from Rav Ben Haim that when ten study it is said. Additionally the Chacham is to say the Kaddish.


Many require that the shiur include words of aggadah, i.e. homiletic teachings on pesukim from Tanach. Others say kaddish after any public Torah study.

To fulfill all opinions, some congregations have the speaker say the last mishnah in Tractate Makkos (quoted below) after the shiur, so kaddish should definitely be said.

"Rabbi Chananya ben (son of) Akashya said: The Holy One, blessed be He, wanted to give Israel merit; therefore He gave them Torah and mitzvos (commandments) in abundance, as it is written: 'G-d wanted, for its [Israel's] righteousness, to make the Torah great and mighty' (Isaiah 42:21)."

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    Does he say that Mishna or teach that Mishna?
    – Double AA
    Feb 3, 2014 at 0:12
  • Usually just rattle it off.
    – Ypnypn
    Feb 3, 2014 at 2:55
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    How would that accomplish anything if no one learned anything?
    – Double AA
    Feb 3, 2014 at 3:02
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    There are many levels of learning. Hearing a few words and kind-of understanding them is a type of learning, even if it isn't on the deepest level.
    – Ypnypn
    Feb 3, 2014 at 3:31

What no one seems to mention is if the minyan have also to partake of the shiur. In many shuls after korbonus they have to wait for minyan and then they say kaddish immediately. Even if the chazan does say some 'agada' no one usually can hear it and certainly not understand it. Many people also dont listen to kaddish and daven away only answering the amen. This is really a kaddish l'vatolo and best left unsaid.

  • This answer could be greatly improved if sources would be provided to support the claims you make.
    – user9643
    Jun 8, 2017 at 20:41

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