I know siddur chabad meant to be meduyak but I'd like to know if other chassidus or their rebbes are makpid on correct dikduk / wording as I often read they are not on pronunciation, accentuation and the like.

  • I would think they are all makpid on correct dikduk. There might be disagreements about what is correct
    – Daniel
    Commented Mar 3, 2015 at 13:16
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    @Daniel Unfortunately that's a poor assumption. judaism.stackexchange.com/q/18529/759
    – Double AA
    Commented Mar 3, 2015 at 16:08

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Yes, the Minchas Elazar was very makpid (strict) on both dikduk (grammar) and wording.

His hakpada (strictness) is a major subject in the preface to the current main Munkacser siddur, Tzvi Tiferes. It outlines both commonly ignored rules, and points out that the siddur includes clear markings for mil'eil/mil'ra and sh'va na/nach. It also brings sources for the importance of keeping these rules.

Further, it follows the rav's rulings in his extensive work on the proper wordings in prayers. The wordings often resemble nusach ashkenaz ("German" – non-Chassidic – rite) more than sfard (common Chassidic rite).

Unfortunately, the tradition of these hakpados was broken when the rav's son-in-law took up the mantle of leadership after the rav's passing, only to radically depart from his father-in-law's ways. Today's Munkacser rebbe is but a namesake, without proper mesora (tradition) from the Minchas Elazar.

Still, the memory of the past lives on, e.g. in the preface to the official siddur. But it is very telling that the new educational edition intended for children, Tiferes Banim, omits the dikduk features. Another example is in the local Munkacser synagogue here in Montreal: An engraved sign affixed to a candelabra right in eye-height of the sha"tz (prayer leader) recounting these hakpados of the Munchas Elazar.

Preface page 1 Preface page 2 Preface page 3

  • +1 (at first I misread the word recounting as recanting:)
    – user6591
    Commented Mar 3, 2015 at 19:27
  • NBZ, aside from the grammatical markings, is the text in the new 'Tiferes Banim' siddurim the same as in Tzvi Tiferes? Also, do you know if Tiferes Banim includes Yamim Noraim amidot?
    – paquda
    Commented Sep 3, 2015 at 14:32
  • @paquda The text is the same as the newest Tzvi Tiferes. The instructions are in Yiddish, not Hebrew. About Yamim Noraim, I'll take a look, bli neder.
    – Adám
    Commented Sep 3, 2015 at 15:28
  • @paquda Tiferes banim is in two parts. The Shabbes part has has all shmone esrei's for R"H and Y"K, just like regular siddurim usually have.
    – Adám
    Commented Sep 4, 2015 at 13:26
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    @Kazibácsi Siddur Shaar Yissachar Hashalem, Mehaduras Tzvi Tiferes, Published and copyrighted © 2012 by Emes Publishing Inst. Ohr Torah Munkacs, 4607 14 Avenue / Brooklyn, New York, 11219-2610, tel-fax 718 854 3302 / email: [email protected]. To get the book: Ner Lameor, 718 384 1324. No ISBN.
    – Adám
    Commented Jul 29, 2019 at 17:24

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