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As we know a person sleeping is פטור מן המצוות exempt from mitzvos. So how can it be – as the Rema states famously – that while you are asleep you fulfill עד דלא ידע (having drunk until he doesn't know; his wording is "umetoch sheyashen eino yodeya bein arur haman lebaruch mordechai", "and from the fact that he sleeps, he doesn't know"). How, according to this Rema, can a sleeper who has no knowledge actively fulfill the requirement?

  • See comments on this answer. Also related: judaism.stackexchange.com/q/12034. – Fred Feb 17 '15 at 19:34
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    A sleeper is exempt from mitzvos, but besides for the real answer (below) about Rama's intent, we can further note that this isnt a mitzva but a mere good deed see here that this is the opinion of Raavya, Maharil, et al. The formal exemption from mitzvos would thus have no bearing on this informal act. – mevaqesh Feb 17 '15 at 21:07
  • In addition to @mevaqesh's point, it's not at all clear to me that "exempt from" is the same as "unable to fulfill," for mitzvot and certainly for "nice practices." – Isaac Moses Feb 18 '15 at 15:12
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He fulfills the obligation by going to sleep and actively entering a state of not knowing.

  • How do you interpret the words of the Rema? METOCH SHEYOSHEN. through his sleep he has no knowledge. I understand that this answer posited. But I am actively ignoring it based on the words of the Rema – Shoel U'Meishiv Feb 17 '15 at 20:39
  • Also someone who is drunk cannot fulfill an obligation because he has no daas. The gemara says ad delo yada which is fulfilled by the act you took to get to that state, either drinking or sleeping. – ykay says Reinstate Monica Feb 17 '15 at 20:44
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    answers with sources are often rated the highest on this forum – Shoel U'Meishiv Feb 17 '15 at 20:49
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    Ignore it or dont but this is the true right answer. Through sleep one fulfills his obligation. That is his requirement is to drink and sleep. וא"ת we have no obligations to sleep for sleeper (you assume) are not commanded in mitzvos, in reality there is a mitzva to sleep in a sukka as part of living. This is explained by R. SZ Aurbach as an obligatin to go to sleep,(he holds that once asleep if one is removed from the succa there is no problem becauuse the mitzva is to go to sleep). – mevaqesh Feb 17 '15 at 21:03
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    @DoubleAA i dont understand, do you always just konk out without lying down or closing your eyes, you dont say krias shema al hamita, get into pajamas? etc.. i would classify those things as actively going to sleep – Shoel U'Meishiv Feb 18 '15 at 18:20

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